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Aug 13, 2015 11:45 |  #241

I'm hoping someone in here can help me with an upload issue I'm having. With A7RII files, I'm losing color when I upload to Flickr. The photo below is way more orange on my computer and in Photoshop, but when I upload it to Flickr, it comes out a pale orange almost yellow color. Is there a special way I should be saving/uploading? I was shooting with an A65 before and I wasn't having this issue.

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Aug 13, 2015 11:58 as a reply to  @ mstg46's post |  #242

That all depends on the color space you're using to edit (probably Adobe RGB), the color space of your display, and if you're display is calibrated or not. The web uses sRBG which is a smaller color space and Flikr or whichever website has their own image conversion although Flikr has always been pretty good for me, so it's very easy to color issues online


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Aug 13, 2015 12:00 |  #243

mstg46 wrote in post #17667485 (external link)
I'm hoping someone in here can help me with an upload issue I'm having. With A7RII files, I'm losing color when I upload to Flickr. The photo below is way more orange on my computer and in Photoshop, but when I upload it to Flickr, it comes out a pale orange almost yellow color. Is there a special way I should be saving/uploading? I was shooting with an A65 before and I wasn't having this issue.

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Sounds like a monitor calibration issue


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Aug 13, 2015 12:04 |  #244

Canon_Shoe wrote in post #17667511 (external link)
That all depends on the color space you're using to edit (probably Adobe RGB), the color space of your display, and if you're display is calibrated or not. The web uses sRBG which is a smaller color space and Flikr or whichever website has their own image conversion although Flikr has always been pretty good for me, so it's very easy to color issues online

+1.

Make sure all your web photos are saved to sRGB color space before uploading.


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Aug 13, 2015 12:23 |  #245

Canon_Shoe wrote in post #17667511 (external link)
That all depends on the color space you're using to edit (probably Adobe RGB), the color space of your display, and if you're display is calibrated or not. The web uses sRBG which is a smaller color space and Flikr or whichever website has their own image conversion although Flikr has always been pretty good for me, so it's very easy to color issues online


xpfloyd wrote in post #17667512 (external link)
Sounds like a monitor calibration issue

I thought this as well, except if it was the monitor wouldn't it look the same on my monitor whether it's on the net or on the computer? Also, why would I just now have this problem with the new camera. I appreciate the advice, I'm just trying to work through the logic in my head.

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+1.

Make sure all your web photos are saved to sRGB color space before uploading.

Thanks, I'll start saving them as sRGB and see if that helps.


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Aug 13, 2015 12:27 |  #246

mstg46 wrote in post #17667557 (external link)
I thought this as well, except if it was the monitor wouldn't it look the same on my monitor whether it's on the net or on the computer? Also, why would I just now have this problem with the new camera. I appreciate the advice, I'm just trying to work through the logic in my head.

Thanks, I'll start saving them as sRGB and see if that helps.

Thats a good point, perhaps its not a calibration issue. I was just thinking back to a problem I once had where I would edit in photoshop with adobe RGB and then when I uploaded to flickr and looked at the image (now srgb) it was different. I then calibrated my monitor and the adobe RGB looked the same as the sRGB (obviously there is a wider gamut available but overall the images looked similar).

EDIT - In photoshop go to the view menu and then select "proof setup" then select "internet standard srgb". Now when viewing your image in photoshop you can press command+Y to toggle betweenthe colour space you are editing in and srgb. This might highlight the issue

EDIT 2 - if using a PC I think its Alt+Y


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Aug 13, 2015 12:34 |  #247

xpfloyd wrote in post #17667567 (external link)
Thats a good point, perhaps its not a calibration issue. I was just thinking back to a problem I once had where I would edit in photoshop with adobe RGB and then when I uploaded to flickr and looked at the image (now srgb) it was different. I then calibrated my monitor and the adobe RGB looked the same as the sRGB (obviously there is a wider gamut available but overall the images looked similar).

EDIT - In photoshop go to the view menu and then select "proof setup" then select "internet standard srgb". Now when viewing your image in photoshop you can press command+Y to toggle betweenthe colour space you are editing in and srgb. This might highlight the issue

EDIT 2 - if using a PC I think its Alt+Y

Thanks, I'll give this a try. I'm using an iMac with the retina display . I don't know if that could have anything to do with it or not.


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Aug 13, 2015 12:39 |  #248

mstg46 wrote in post #17667576 (external link)
Thanks, I'll give this a try. I'm using an iMac with the retina display . I don't know if that could have anything to do with it or not.

Shouldn't do. I use a retina macbook. It could still be out of calibration though.


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Aug 13, 2015 13:02 |  #249

jocau wrote in post #17666969 (external link)
Not necessarily. I think there are a lot of people who want to ditch Canon, but are hesitant to get rid of their EF lens collection because replacing lenses is often a lot more expensive than just replacing cameras. Sony has provided a solution for Canon users who were previously unable to switch camera systems because of the financial burden that comes along with it.

There are still holes in the FE lens lineup, but what did you expect from a system that isn't even 2 years on the market?

The Fuji story also isn't true. High-end Zeiss FE lenses >>> high-end XF lenses. Also note that the XF lens lineup is older than the FE lens lineup. Because of that it's pretty obvious there are more XF than FE lenses. But Sony is catching up nicely.

Quality lenses retain a lot of their value so changing systems is not too bothersome (I would reference the endless Nikon to Canon and vice versa switchers). As for Fuji, what I am saying is that they had a very useful roadmap of quality lenses that hit the high points with each introduction. Sony OTOH has had a peculiar roll out of some good lenses and some mediocre ones (Zeiss badging notwithstanding) and still left holes in their lineup that could have been filled by repackaging a couple of A mount lenses.
Adapting lenses would lower costs and definitely the hassle of switching but if you are buying this camera for its ultimate IQ, you are already introducing a compromise to the optical system via two more surfaces that need to be parallel and two more joints of potential slop.

Lloyd Chambers has noted on his blog that he had to return several Sony FE lenses because of softness on one side or another. Considering they are strutting the Zeiss badge this is a bit embarrassing.
In the end they will have to flesh out their line of lenses AND address QC issues before they can really confidently sit at the big boys table. A very cool body with no optical backup is not pro.




  
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Aug 13, 2015 13:24 |  #250

After you export, are you viewing the photo using IE or some othe Windows viewer? If so, those are not color managed applications. Use Firefox with the color management extension.

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I thought this as well, except if it was the monitor wouldn't it look the same on my monitor whether it's on the net or on the computer? Also, why would I just now have this problem with the new camera. I appreciate the advice, I'm just trying to work through the logic in my head.

Thanks, I'll start saving them as sRGB and see if that helps.




  
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Aug 13, 2015 13:43 |  #251

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After you export, are you viewing the photo using IE or some othe Windows viewer? If so, those are not color managed applications. Use Firefox with the color management extension.

I'm using Firefox, but not sure about the color management extension.


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Aug 13, 2015 14:29 |  #252

did a new post about using the 600EX-rt flash with the A7Rii that might be of interest to those looking for a smart / dumb solution (i.e. a semi automatic Manual flash setup)

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1437463


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Aug 13, 2015 14:44 as a reply to  @ mstg46's post |  #253

Are you shooting JPG?
If so, check what color space the camera has been set to.
Next, check your color settings in PS. Note the Color Management Policies.
The default is "Preserve Embedded Profiles"
This means that IF you have been taking the photos in Adobe RGB space they will look just fine on your screen but will be uploaded with the Adobe RGB space mapped in the file.
What this means is that browsers not color aware will view the image assuming an Srgb space and thus render the colors quite desaturated.
The other possibility (raised already) is if you are shooting RAW you are exporting the rendered image in Argb space.


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Aug 13, 2015 18:12 |  #254

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Are you shooting JPG?
If so, check what color space the camera has been set to.
Next, check your color settings in PS. Note the Color Management Policies.
The default is "Preserve Embedded Profiles"
This means that IF you have been taking the photos in Adobe RGB space they will look just fine on your screen but will be uploaded with the Adobe RGB space mapped in the file.
What this means is that browsers not color aware will view the image assuming an Srgb space and thus render the colors quite desaturated.
The other possibility (raised already) is if you are shooting RAW you are exporting the rendered image in Argb space.
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I'm shooting in RAW so I need to change my setting to what you showed. Thanks!


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Aug 13, 2015 18:17 |  #255

markd61 wrote in post #17667725 (external link)
Are you shooting JPG?
If so, check what color space the camera has been set to.
Next, check your color settings in PS. Note the Color Management Policies.
The default is "Preserve Embedded Profiles"
This means that IF you have been taking the photos in Adobe RGB space they will look just fine on your screen but will be uploaded with the Adobe RGB space mapped in the file.
What this means is that browsers not color aware will view the image assuming an Srgb space and thus render the colors quite desaturated.
The other possibility (raised already) is if you are shooting RAW you are exporting the rendered image in Argb space.
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I just checked my Photoshop settings and they match these. Any other ideas?


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