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Aug 25, 2015 09:52 |  #16

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I've never used smart previews it always seems like it takes a long time to generate, maybe it is because of using an underpowered laptop. Do smart previews take up much more HD space?

Also is there a difference in which video card I get? Should I get a gaming video card or anything special? I've heard to use the video card that is on the motherboard but it shares the regular RAM so i didn't know if reducing the RAM is going to be the best thing to do.

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For photo editing a dedicated graphics card is not really needed, Lightroom 5.7 does not rely on the graphics processor, it relies on the cpu for processing. I would choose 16GB+ of RAM and use the on board graphics over a dedicated graphics card in a photo editing budget build. If you do get a dedicated graphics card or need one in the future a low level GeForce 7xx or 9xx based card will do.


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Aug 25, 2015 17:33 |  #17

Thanks, my computer guy is coming tomorrow afternoon to discuss the build. I do trust him but he is trying to selling a computer, so my question is if it comes down to it.

1. Would I be better off getting an i5 with 16gb or an i7 with 8gb?

2. Am I OK just using 2 external HD'S (1-2TB & 1-5TB) and a smaller SSD or should I large HD & partition it to hold both the OS, programs & some photo storage?

3. I have a couple 15" flat screen monitors will that be big enough or do I need to get larger monitor?

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Aug 25, 2015 17:46 |  #18

Gary Wiant wrote in post #17682858 (external link)
1. Would I be better off getting an i5 with 16gb or an i7 with 8gb?

2. Am I OK just using 2 external HD'S (1-2TB & 1-5TB) and a smaller SSD or should I large HD & partition it to hold both the OS, programs & some photo storage?

3. I have a couple 15" flat screen monitors will that be big enough or do I need to get larger monitor?

1. I'd go for the i7. LR is dependent on the CPU for rendering previews and exporting JPGs. My current system is an i7 with 16 GB but it started out with 8 GB. 8 is fine for just running LR. And RAM is pretty cheap so you can always add more as long as the system is built with open slot(s).

2. I think you'll be fine with a 250 GB SSD for Windows/Programs and externals for your photos. Hopefully they're USB 3.0.

3. They'll work, but that's really small today. I upgraded from dual 15's to dual 20's in 2006 and to dual 27's a couple of years ago. I hate scrolling in LR and I hate constantly zooming and panning. The more I can see at once, the better. Those old 15' probably don't have very accurate color either.




  
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Aug 25, 2015 18:39 |  #19

Gary Wiant wrote in post #17682858 (external link)
Thanks, my computer guy is coming tomorrow afternoon to discuss the build. I do trust him but he is trying to selling a computer, so my question is if it comes down to it.

1. Would I be better off getting an i5 with 16gb or an i7 with 8gb?

2. Am I OK just using 2 external HD'S (1-2TB & 1-5TB) and a smaller SSD or should I large HD & partition it to hold both the OS, programs & some photo storage?

3. I have a couple 15" flat screen monitors will that be big enough or do I need to get larger monitor?

thanks

An i5 will do just fine, but it is easier and cheaper to upgrade the amount of RAM in the future than to upgrade from an i5 to an i7. In your scenario if only choosing between i5/16GB and i7/8GB I would take the i7 knowing I can add another 8GB in the future if needed.


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Aug 25, 2015 18:40 as a reply to  @ Gary Wiant's post |  #20

1. Depends. From what you described a i5 will do fine but if there are other task, like video editing, then you will want the i7's HT from what i understand. As it stands, going for more RAM, the better although your computing habits will determine that. I leave Chrome open with 15+ tabs open while gaming and having LR running at once on 16GB and never had an issue. Depends on you.

2. Using a 128/250 SSD drive will be fine but the smaller the more managing of space will be required. Try to add an internal HDD if you can, might be a tid cheaper + speed benefits + less clutter than 2x USB 3.0 externals. A 1TB internal HDD cost like $50 while a 2TB is $15-20 more.

Having an external for one of your backups is a necessity though, IMO. Copy, disconnect, then put in a safe or another property just in case the worst happens.

3. Your monitor is completely your personal preference. You can always grab a good priced IPS 1080p 23-24" for cheap now with 1440p and 4K offerings around the corner.

Urban made a great point though:

urbanfreestyle wrote in post #17680542 (external link)
People will tell you need a quadcore i7 with 16+gb ram and SSDs etc.
I have run lightroom hapily editing 5D2 and 1D3 files on a computer with an intel g3258K (dual core Haswell) 8gb ram and 128gb ssd.

i'm not sure on USA pricing but would suggest looking a little further up the range.

for a smooth experience i would recomend an i5 with 8gb ram.

I know someone who works off of an old $400 laptop with 4GB RAM + HDD and is totally content with her setup. She does mention that it can be slow but she keeps her work machine workload to a minimum when editing but manages it fine.


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Aug 25, 2015 18:43 |  #21

Bleufire wrote in post #17682932 (external link)
I know someone who works off of an old $400 laptop with 4GB RAM + HDD and is totally content with her setup. She does mention that it can be slow but she keeps her work machine workload to a minimum when editing but manages it fine.

Some people are more tolerant of inadequate tools than others. I'll sit down in front of someone's P4 with 1 GB of RAM and I want to smash it against a wall but they'll say, "Its just a little slow."




  
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Aug 25, 2015 18:53 |  #22

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Some people are more tolerant of inadequate tools than others. I'll sit down in front of someone's P4 with 1 GB of RAM and I want to smash it against a wall but they'll say, "Its just a little slow."

Definitely agree but one also doesn't need the top tier for hobby work or researching purchasing with a low budget. While an SSD might be a relief for some speed pains people have, it does not make or break the use of LR, or other applications for that matter, as some people make it out to be.

It does drive me nuts that people seem to act that if you aren't running an SSD then it isn't worth turning on. I still live off of a HDD at home and completely content. I have actually removed my own SSD after owning it for a week then gifted it to my father in law then going back to my original HDD. Yeah, it was cool but honestly I still get my gaming and photos edited just fine.


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Aug 25, 2015 20:29 |  #23

I'm pretty sure my system at work (sign design) is an i5 with 8gbgb with a 250gb SSD but it is really heavily loaded with fonts so that really shows it down, I run a dedicated sign software that is probably about as demanding as Photoshop, but typically I work with more Vector files than Raster so the drain isn't that heavy. I can't remember my video card but I think it is a 2gb card and I run a 22" monitor and I love it I just don't have the room for that size of monitor in the living room. Remember this is a hobby I'm editing high school & Youth football photos and the occasional senior picture, I'm not editing $3500 wedding packages so as much as I'd like it to be, the sky is not the limit.

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Aug 26, 2015 00:34 |  #24

Yeah like others said invest in a good machine it will last you long.


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Aug 26, 2015 04:08 |  #25

memory can be very important depending on software and task:!:. things like stitching photos together need more and more RAM. get as much as you can afford. get a machine that can be upgraded. RAM speed and path count matter, too. any machine can work ... depending on the user's willingness to wait:oops:. my 2 year old custom built desktop is a 3.6GHz Xeon with 64GB of 1600 ECC RAM:love:. most of the cost went into RAMming it up:grin:.


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Aug 26, 2015 08:22 |  #26

Gary Wiant wrote in post #17683032 (external link)
I'm pretty sure my system at work (sign design) is an i5 with 8gbgb with a 250gb SSD but it is really heavily loaded with fonts so that really shows it down, I run a dedicated sign software that is probably about as demanding as Photoshop, but typically I work with more Vector files than Raster so the drain isn't that heavy. I can't remember my video card but I think it is a 2gb card and I run a 22" monitor and I love it I just don't have the room for that size of monitor in the living room. Remember this is a hobby I'm editing high school & Youth football photos and the occasional senior picture, I'm not editing $3500 wedding packages so as much as I'd like it to be, the sky is not the limit.

Thanks keep the advise coming

With your space limitation you may want to look into micro-ATX or mini-ITX form factors. You can easily build a smaller PC with the power of a large desktop. Mini-ITX is a lot more limited, less choice in motherboards and cases. Micro-ATX has a larger selection and a lower starting price.


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Aug 26, 2015 21:29 |  #27

4790 3.3 mhz
8gb expandable to 16gb ($75)
2 TB HDD
POWER SUPPLY
CASE
DVD DRIVE
$869.99
additions Windows 7 + $139
20" Monitor + $100
500GB HDD + $100
250GB SSD +129 both set as master to use to run applications leaving the 2 TB for photo storage
for a total of $1312 with the SSD & 16gb

System #2
I5 3.2mhz
8gb expandable to 16gb ($75)
2 TB HDD
POWER SUPPLY
CASE
DVD DRIVE
$749
additions Windows 7 + $139
20" Monitor + $100
500GB HDD + $100
250GB SSD +129 both set as master to use to run applications leaving the 2 TB for photo storage
for a total of $119 with the SSD & 16gb

let me know what you think of these specs # prices

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Aug 26, 2015 23:48 as a reply to  @ Gary Wiant's post |  #28

http://www.techbargain​s.com/hp-envy-700-deals (external link)

I'd just get that over either of those two systems which seem to be overpriced IMO.

I even added a 2TB drive and it comes out to $655 with the coupon. Even without the coupon it is still a better deal than what you listed IMO plus you can add the 3 yr warranty support.


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Aug 27, 2015 10:56 as a reply to  @ Bleufire's post |  #29

Actually, after throwing some parts together in PCPARTPICKER I found that the pricing is just off on the first build that would probably be considered appropriate for labor.

http://pcpartpicker.co​m/p/BgRTcf (external link) (just putting together things to get an idea of what the total cost would end up being...)

I just had a hard time seeing:
-why spend $100 for a 20" monitor when for ~50 more you can get a 24" IPS panel
-500 GB HDD for $100? 1TB drives can be had for $50
-250 GB SSD for $129? The Samsung 850 EVO, one of the most popular among tech reviewers, goes for under $100
-16GB of RAM is $100 overall so an "upgrade" for $75 more seems like an odd placement unless they are using 2x4GB sticks

Is this a computer builder that gave you those prices? If so, that explains the small markups if it is a business. Make sure they put a good power supply in and make sure your case is a good case for acoustics and airflow. Are they going to use a stock Intel cooler or a aftermarket?


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Aug 29, 2015 09:49 |  #30

It is a guy that sells, repairs and sets up computer systems for businesses and individuals. He has built the systems for our business for the last 5 or 6 years. At our shop I knew the prices were a little higher than buying myself but with the networking and all he will come fix it if I have an issue but for the house I don't think I'll have the same issues


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