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Aug 22, 2015 13:07 |  #1

Hey guys. Its been a long time since I posted here. I've decided to get back into photography after being away for a long time. Like many I'm limited to a budget. I will have $5K to spend. I was looking at used 1D MK IV, and used 300 2.8 IS. I would love to be able to pickup a 400 2.8 IS but it might be out of my budget with the 1D MK IV.

On a side note, how are the 300 2.8 IS? I know we are up to the II's now so I'm wondering how much better the II is over the firsts.


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Aug 24, 2015 19:38 |  #2

You've not stated what types of sports you'll be photographing.

The body and lens you've listed are both top notch. Don't worry about the 300 IS II. It isn't in your budget and you're not leaving much on the table when compared to the 300 IS.

Some may argue the 7D Mk II would be a better camera given its updated features, especially for field sports where reach is important. I've never shot one, so I won't try to make a comparison. I did consider one but was concerned about whether it would perform as well as the 1D IV in high ISO situations.

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Sep 03, 2015 07:44 |  #3

You'll be fine with the 1D IV and the 300 f/2.8 IS. I agree there is no need to worry about the 300 f/2.8 IS II version.


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Sep 03, 2015 09:44 |  #4

I agree with Pat and Dr Z. The 1D IV and the 300 f/2.8 IS is an excellent combination! Good luck.


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Sep 03, 2015 18:27 |  #5

Thanks guys. Sorry for the long delay in response. I'm looking at Baseball, Football, and Hockey.


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Sep 03, 2015 22:28 |  #6

I would think that that a 70-200 would be necessary especially for hockey.


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Sep 04, 2015 16:28 |  #7

I'd get a 5dMKIII any day of the week over the 1DMK IV,slower but WAY better in low light.


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Sep 04, 2015 20:05 |  #8

canon rookie wrote in post #17695190 (external link)
I'd get a 5dMKIII any day of the week over the 1DMK IV,slower but WAY better in low light.

While it may be better in low light, the 10FPS that the MK IV has is needed.


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Sep 04, 2015 20:42 |  #9

swatcop169 wrote in post #17695347 (external link)
While it may be better in low light, the 10FPS that the MK IV has is needed.

I'll take superior IQ/ high ISO performance over FPS any day of the week.


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Sep 04, 2015 20:55 |  #10

canon rookie wrote in post #17695385 (external link)
I'll take superior IQ/ high ISO performance over FPS any day of the week.

I tried to like the 5D3 as a sports camera; however, in practice, the 1D IV was my go to camera. The shots I did get out of the 5D3 were very good, but I was getting consistently more keepers with the 1D IV.


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Sep 04, 2015 21:29 |  #11

Heya,

swatcop169 wrote in post #17678757 (external link)
Hey guys. Its been a long time since I posted here. I've decided to get back into photography after being away for a long time. Like many I'm limited to a budget. I will have $5K to spend. I was looking at used 1D MK IV, and used 300 2.8 IS. I would love to be able to pickup a 400 2.8 IS but it might be out of my budget with the 1D MK IV.

On a side note, how are the 300 2.8 IS? I know we are up to the II's now so I'm wondering how much better the II is over the firsts.

swatcop169 wrote in post #17694121 (external link)
Thanks guys. Sorry for the long delay in response. I'm looking at Baseball, Football, and Hockey.

Starting out, I'd definitely be looking at 7D2 & 1D4 for cost, both being under $2k and delivering the speed and high ISO performance that you'd need for low light sports like Hockey and potentially Football at night. A 70-200 on those crop factor cameras will have good reach, and their high resolution allows for large crops while keeping good quality, but I definitely see the benefit simply for the look in a 300 F2.8 MKI. You don't need the IS version, nor the MKII, etc. An older 300 F2.8 non-IS will do the job. Even with a 1.4x TC it will still do a great job and be fast and sharp.

An alternative, if you care to consider, is something like the Sigma 120-300 F2.8 OS. Sharp and fast. Takes TC's. Very flexible sports lens.

canon rookie wrote in post #17695190 (external link)
I'd get a 5dMKIII any day of the week over the 1DMK IV,slower but WAY better in low light.

"Way" better is an over-statement. It has less than 1 stop of improved high ISO performance. That's not a good trade off for the slow FPS for someone shooting sports that are high speed where the difference between the magazine shot and the internet web viewing is the facial expression and body positions, etc, which happen in less than a second, and why people shoot fast FPS cameras for these events to improve chances of capturing those moments. Far more important, than less than 1 stop of ISO performance.

swatcop169 wrote in post #17695347 (external link)
While it may be better in low light, the 10FPS that the MK IV has is needed.

8~10FPS is definitely the way to go for pure sports.

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Sep 04, 2015 21:34 |  #12

Zivnuska wrote in post #17693409 (external link)
You'll be fine with the 1D IV and the 300 f/2.8 IS. I agree there is no need to worry about the 300 f/2.8 IS II version.

This is the truth right here.

canon rookie wrote in post #17695190 (external link)
I'd get a 5dMKIII any day of the week over the 1DMK IV,slower but WAY better in low light.

The 5DIII is a great camera, I have one. But I never use it for sports. I would take my 1DIV's for sports over the 5DIII every time. When it comes to sports/action photography, I would rather have the greater chance of getting the peak action shot with a bit more noise than the lower noise shot that missed peak action with the 5DIII.


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Sep 06, 2015 18:44 |  #13

I was able to pickup a low shutter count 1D MK IV from a user here on the board and a 300 2.8 IS on FM that looks like it was never taken out of the box. I'm looking for a 70-200 2.8 now to add to the list.


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Sep 09, 2015 19:53 |  #14

My 300 showed up today. Looks as if its never been out of the box.

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Sep 17, 2015 12:00 |  #15

If the 400 2.8 is too expensive and you don't want to put a TC on your 300, there is the 400 F4.


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