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Sep 25, 2015 09:12 |  #106

here is a few pictures for you

Even though I say for the 5DSR you have to be at 1/2.5x to 1/4X FL to get 'tack' sharp image, I was able to get at 15 feet what I would accept as a tack sharp image 1/160 for the 135L. See below what the setup looks like and then the massive zoom. Look at the music notes on the card to make your judgement.

Because of exposure, I just was not able to be fair to the A7R2 as a comparison so I stopped down the lens to F2.8 to reduce the exposure. I still had to pulled exposure down by 1 stop and reduce Highlights by 92 in LR. As you can see, at 1/15th with the A7R2, I was able to get basically a tack sharp image with the 135L - to me that is crazy.

Because the exposure is really out for the A7R2, it isn't appropriate to compare colours, etc. You can see, I think, the higher megapixels of the 5DSR - but the point of this post is that, even while I wouldn't use 1/160 SS on the 5DSR with the 135L if it was handheld, I was able to get it sharp - that said, I can do the same at 1/15th with the help of IBIS and less shutter shake of the A7R2. I also noticed, after posting the pictures to flikr, on the 5DSR you can see CA around the edges of the fence hole and edge of the card @ F2 (no surprise given the situation and being an older lense). I went back and in LR this is easily removed by clicking CA and then reducing magenta -2. I tried to take the pictures relatively quickly back to back but small light changes do happen - but either way, it is interesting that the CA does not appear in the Sony (might just be comparing at F2.8 and the Highlight reduction that was necessary given the exposure but not completely sure)?

The setup

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The 5DSR crop (1/160, F2, ISO 100) - Highlights reduced -20 in LR

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The A7R2 crop (1/15, F2.8, ISO 50) - Highlights -92, whites -29

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Sep 25, 2015 09:19 |  #107

I am on my phone right now at work, but I really want to look at this on my desktop at home. Interested to see the results. But I can tell already, there is no way that my copy would get that sharp, even at 1/1000.


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Sep 25, 2015 15:32 |  #108

Thought I would show one more - and another reason I'm very excited about using the 135L again - but on the A7R2.

There is no way you would ever try and shoot anything moving at 1/8th (i.e. people) but I took 2 shots, one was average and one was tack sharp with IBIS. I think you could take 1000 shots with a 5DSR at 1/8th with a 135L and never get close to a tack sharp image.

The shot (1/8th, ISO 160, F2.5)

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The massive zoom (2:1 in LR) - the letters on Bell Cable Box are tack sharp at 1/8th at 135mm (15 feet)

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Sep 25, 2015 21:46 |  #109

Granted, the focus is on the passenger door so the front bumper is slightly out of focus due to the DOF, but this lens is sharp when I use LiveView. Once the lens gets calibrated to this body, I am extremely excited.

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Sep 27, 2015 14:41 as a reply to  @ Myboostedgst's post |  #110

This was taken today with 5Dmk3 and 135L ISO 160, 1/1250, f/2.0 no sharpening


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Sep 27, 2015 22:16 |  #111

135L is one of canons very best lens

BUT

It needs shutter speed big time. I frequently use in in TV mode and NEVER let the shutter drop below 1/160 and I prefer it at 1/320

You can control DOF with ISO and I use ND filters when outside every use. I have zero issues and get awesome Imagery as a result.

By far my favorite lens

Try it in TV and I think your problem will be solved

Shutter speed first or foremost with this lens


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Sep 27, 2015 22:22 |  #112

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where was the focus point? - not sure I see anything in tack sharp focus - could be an upload / size thing or deliberate processing / negative clarity


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Sep 27, 2015 22:24 |  #113

wanted to test the lens shooting right into the sun

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Sep 27, 2015 22:30 as a reply to  @ wallstreetoneil's post |  #114

Hmmm, looks pretty damned good to me.


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Sep 27, 2015 22:45 |  #115

My issue is a focusing problem. Using the camera in live view, I get awesome results. It seems to focus more accurately up close, but as soon as the subject gets 15-20ft away, the focus is quite a bit off. I can shoot text at 1/160 at 7ft and zoom in well past 100%, and everything is perfectly sharp. I am confident that once Canon calibrates my lens to my body, I will be getting nice, sharp images at 1/160, let alone at 1/200.


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Sep 28, 2015 04:48 |  #116

umphotography wrote in post #17724240 (external link)
135L is one of canons very best lens

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It needs shutter speed big time. I frequently use in in TV mode and NEVER let the shutter drop below 1/160 and I prefer it at 1/320...

I was shooting it at 1/80 for a while during a wedding on Saturday, sharp almost every time.


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Sep 28, 2015 06:09 |  #117

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #17724246 (external link)
where was the focus point? - don't sure I see anything in tack sharp focus - could be an upload / size thing

It was the eyes but on our screen it is so sharp you can see the pores in the skin when zoomed in and the individual eyebrow and gotee hairs etc. Must be an upload thing we are on 27" imac retina




  
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Sep 28, 2015 08:40 |  #118

gqllc007 wrote in post #17724579 (external link)
It was the eyes but on our screen it is so sharp you can see the pores in the skin when zoomed in and the individual eyebrow and gotee hairs etc. Must be an upload thing we are on 27" imac retina

appreciate the response
with net images, i'm never sure if it is an uploading scaling thing
when i view the image here and zoom in I can't see anything sharp which given this lens is basically impossible


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Oct 06, 2015 14:16 |  #119

So I got my 6D and 135L back today. Here is what the paperwork said, under “service details” for each (exactly as written, grammatical errors included).

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Your product has been examined and it was found that the adjustment of the part was incorrect causing the focus to operate improperly from time to time. Adjustments were carried out on the part. Product functions were confirmed.

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Your product has been examined and it was found that the adjustment of the circuit board was incorrect has been inspected per your request. Electrical adjustments were carried out on the circuit board. Product functions were confirmed.

So this was a hardware problem inside the lens? Trying to understand if this was simply a microfocus adjustment issue, or if there was more. The lens seems good now. Shot two photos of the same scene at F2 and F2.8, and the center sharpness zoomed in past 100% was negligible, shutter speed over 1/1250. I will need to actually test it out on subjects that I will shoot, but so far it seems MUCH better. Can’t wait to get out and try it shooting some good subjects!


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Oct 06, 2015 15:12 |  #120

Nice!


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