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Oct 20, 2015 14:17 as a reply to  @ post 17753472 |  #6691

I adjusted the color just a bit, at your advise... and added a bit of noise reduction. Does this work better?


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Oct 20, 2015 14:24 |  #6692

if you have the cycling lights that pulsate magenta then green then if you shoot jpg you are screwed

i had a hockey arena that i shot in when the team was travelling and it was terrible - each and every picture needs and adjustment in WB

the 7d2 is very good up until 2500 ISO and then it start to get exponentially worse - that said, if you shoot in raw, and then watch a bunch of youtube videos about Noise Reduction in Lightroom, the noise cleans up very well up to about iso 6400 - above that what happens is the colours really start to deteriorate (which you can see in your 8000 ISO pictures)

if i were you i would:
1) shoot in raw (so you can fix the wb better)
2) lower the ISO to 6400 max - 3200 would be a better max - 6400 if you absolutely need it
3) Noise Reduction (you really need to spend time on this, some is good, too much is bad, but there are small techniques that make a big difference)
4) if it really is that dark, try and find spots on the field that are brighter, try slightly slower SS and try to find shots that work at slower shutter speeds
5) these are massive crops or you are on the sidelines - if so, rent a 135L F2 and see if that works better to another full stop of light - borrow a friends 200F2 (or find a friend that owns one)


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Oct 20, 2015 15:40 |  #6693

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Oct 20, 2015 16:14 |  #6694

^man I want a J so bad, so few over the last few months. Fantastic capture.

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Oct 20, 2015 16:18 |  #6695

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Nice one Iain, what kind of bird is that ??


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Oct 20, 2015 16:56 |  #6696

I guess you should know,..Iain is a buddy of mine!! But I'm likin Burnet44"s bird even though he used a 70D


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Oct 20, 2015 17:02 |  #6697

Pondrader wrote in post #17753686 (external link)
Nice one Iain, what kind of bird is that ??

Lol Jeff!
I think you know!


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Oct 20, 2015 17:03 as a reply to  @ Pondrader's post |  #6698

Nice!
Good thing I sent him your way :p :p :p


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Oct 20, 2015 18:52 |  #6699

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #17753522 (external link)
if you have the cycling lights that pulsate magenta then green then if you shoot jpg you are screwed

i had a hockey arena that i shot in when the team was travelling and it was terrible - each and every picture needs and adjustment in WB

the 7d2 is very good up until 2500 ISO and then it start to get exponentially worse - that said, if you shoot in raw, and then watch a bunch of youtube videos about Noise Reduction in Lightroom, the noise cleans up very well up to about iso 6400 - above that what happens is the colours really start to deteriorate (which you can see in your 8000 ISO pictures)

if i were you i would:
1) shoot in raw (so you can fix the wb better)
2) lower the ISO to 6400 max - 3200 would be a better max - 6400 if you absolutely need it
3) Noise Reduction (you really need to spend time on this, some is good, too much is bad, but there are small techniques that make a big difference)
4) if it really is that dark, try and find spots on the field that are brighter, try slightly slower SS and try to find shots that work at slower shutter speeds
5) these are massive crops or you are on the sidelines - if so, rent a 135L F2 and see if that works better to another full stop of light - borrow a friends 200F2 (or find a friend that owns one)

It's certainly preferable to keep the ISO lower if possible, and it's also good advice to shoot in RAW. Depending on whether it's possible to expose to the right, however, the 7DII is capable of fairly good high-ISO performance. Here's one at ISO 12800 processed in Lightroom; this crop is probably about 10% of the original image size. I could probably do a better job of noise reduction running through Photoshop with the Imagenomic Noiseware plugin.


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Oct 20, 2015 18:53 |  #6700

I took this one today at ISO 800.

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Oct 20, 2015 19:52 as a reply to  @ stsva's post |  #6701

Using 12000 ISO in good light outdoors for a fast SS just does not translate to an indoor hockey arena lighting or pitch black night football game under similar lighting - it just doesn't. The shadows are a mess in these situations the shadow colours just get terrible.

The SS / high ISO stopping the action with decent colours in pulsating lighting is a dance I've played for years in hockey arenas. For a 5D3 that dance ends at 1/1000 3200iso and on a 7D2 I think it ends at 1/1000 2500iso. I have learned that with the 7D2 you can push it higher because it handles NR better than the 5D3 but you are losing colours and texture very very quickly above this - you can however make the pictures look completely fine in smaller sized images and that is what counts most of the time. With the 5DSR and with NR I'm ok at 6400iso for hockey.


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Oct 20, 2015 19:56 as a reply to  @ wallstreetoneil's post |  #6702

Lots of food for thought! I appreciate the tips. I do shoot RAW, and will try going down to ISO 6400 and see if that helps. FYI, this was original size...
This would be a typical crop size for my paper.


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Oct 20, 2015 20:46 |  #6703

I used to use imagenomic for noise reduction with my 5D3 but I found that I lost more detail than with my 7D2 whereby I simply use the luminance slider in ACR and it seems to produce better results (to my eye). Am I missing something as I'm no great licks at PP?


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Oct 20, 2015 20:46 |  #6704

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Would like a little advise. I shoot a lot of night sports. I have tried manual white balance; but have found using manual k temp seems to work as well. Once the sun goes down, the lighting stays consistent. EXIF is correct, except ISO; which was 8000.

I'm using faithful picture style, going up a notch on contrast and saturation. Still not totally pleased with color. Any advise?

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I would definitely not lower your SS, already pushing your luck.
If you didn't have it on, I would highly suggest using the Antiflicker. I might help with stabilizing the green/magenta tint from shot to shot. I have found that I much prefer in camera to be zero NR, htp, or shadow protection.

My LR technique in post:
1. Attempt auto WB, but often use 60% of Temp and Tint auto values (suite to liking).
2. Raise shadows with adjustment brush under helmet for face
3. Use split tone to remove red cast from raised shadows.
4. Color NR between 22 and 40 as needed to remove blotchies in darker areas.
5. I often don't bother with Luminance NR, but If I do, I'll dial in about 25, the use the shape value of about 30 + heavy Mask using the ALT key to adjust it while sliding it as far as possible to not sharpen background but keep key edges.

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Oct 20, 2015 21:10 |  #6705

javapop wrote in post #17753516 (external link)
I adjusted the color just a bit, at your advise... and added a bit of noise reduction. Does this work better?

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So, in my opinion, it still is not looking right on the Wb. Spot check the R&B colors on the black uniforms with the lights on it. Adjust as necessary using split tone, or channel in the Curves adjustment. If you repost, a suggestion is to repost with all previous versions so before and after is easier to see what you did.




  
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