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2nd Trip to Disney... Analyzing 1st trip images for lens choice

 
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Oct 22, 2015 09:45 |  #1

So we are going back to Disney and this time I feel I will be much more prepared than last time. My gear last time:

7D
Tokina 12-24 F4
24-105L
S100

Between all the above I took 2,267 photos over 7 actual days of 4 days at disney and 3 days at universal. I've analyzed my "keepers" and it's right at 415 photos that I feel are strong enough to put into a family album for going back and remembering the trip. The trip was a large party; my dad & mom, me wife and 3 kids and my sister her husband and her 5 kids so I made sure I captured alot of them. So it averages out to about 60 keepers a day and/or around 4 shots a person lol. I realize now 3 years later that photos of the stuff are only pleasing to me and not really anyone else... it's the photos of the kids that are important and occasional shots of the adults. Now onto the data. Out of 2,267 photos

S100
693 photos
150 Keepers total (15.5% of total)
505 shot at 5.2mm (24mm equiv.)
336 shot at F2 with remainder up to 5.6
116 keepers at 5.2m (24mm) only 2 keepers beyond 15mm (70mm+ equivelant)


24-105
592 Photos
93 keepers total (15% of total)
153 shot at 24mm
125 shot at 105mm
357 photos at F4-4.5 with remainder up to 5.6
50% of the shots are 50mm or less
Long shots was mostly of stuff and the few being of the other people when at a distance and a few of the kids on rides
only 36 shots were keepers on anything longer than 50mm
15 keepers from 35mm to 50mm
42 keepers from 24mm to 32mm

12-24
885 Photos
183 keeprs total (20% of total)
407 shot at 12mm
131 shot at 24mm
86 keepers at 12mm and 26 keepers at 24mm


So in the end. 111 keepers were from 12-15mm on the 7D = 19-23mm equivalent and 273 keepers from 24mm-70mm equivalent. Or 384 out of 415 total where under 70mm equiv to FF. This time well... I have alot of gear and I already know what I'm going to take but I want to recap my 1st time trip and share and see if this stuff makes sense.


2nd Trip planning
5D3
15-30
24 1.4
600ex-rt
12mm fisheye

Now I originally wanted to take my 24-70 for most my shots and it appears this would work out the best but I don't want to take it and the rest AND a 50mm 1.4 but I really did want to take the 50mm too as it'll be a pretty good portrait type lens and/or my dreamy blurry background lens. I also have the wifes Tamron 70-300 VC that I could throw in the bag for some longer shots of stuff but it's not really necessary.

The 15-30 would cover 60% of my needs based on my keepers from my previous trip. 30% of my keepers were wider than 24mm equivalent while the other 30% is from 24mm-30mm. The 24 would cover alot of my needs also. My previous setup with F4 glass and crop meant I didn't walk away with anything considered "dreamy" with thin DOF. This time I will have that so I'm analyzing my needs. Almost a 24/50 combo would work fine really. Kinda redundant to take a 24-70, 24 and 50. and for that matter the 15-30 has enough overlap to where I'd only be picking up 31mm-70mm from the general zoom which is why I really feel the 15-30 will handle my needs. Take the 50 for some portraits and grab the 24 for when the sun goes down.

The biggest thing I have going is the 600RT. I've seen some pretty amazing shots w/ bounce flash at disney looking through some galleries. This was my biggest fault for not taking a flash and only having on board flash capabilities. This time I'm taking it without a doubt. Which really negates if I really need 1.4 glass at all really. I could take the 15-30/24-70 and a flash and call it good too.

I'm taking a Lowepro Flipside 200 AW II bag so I can fit the 5D3 w/ lens and two more lenses and then the flash. This is going to be my limit. The fisheye I really want to take but thats because it's my fun lens.... I really don't need to take it. So in the end maybe this setup

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24 1.4
50 1.4
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Oct 22, 2015 09:56 |  #2

I just couldn't see walking around Disney with a dslr. I feel like it would take the fun out of it. I would just bring something like an s100 and call it a day. Or just use my phone. Enjoy the trip.

In 20 years, do you really care if you have the best quality photos of Disney to look at? I think you will just be happy that you have any photos.

Either way... I'm sure you will take great photos! Enjoy the trip!


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Oct 22, 2015 10:06 |  #3

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I just couldn't see walking around Disney with a dslr. I feel like it would take the fun out of it. I would just bring something like an s100 and call it a day. Or just use my phone. Enjoy the trip.

In 20 years, do you really care if you have the best quality photos of Disney to look at? I think you will just be happy that you have any photos.

Either way... I'm sure you will take great photos! Enjoy the trip!

Well this purpose was lens focal length at disney and analyzing my needs for what I want to achieve and such.... I never mentioned which camera.... BUT...

without a doubt the images taken with the 7D even during the day were far better than the S100. I forgot to mention out of the 7 days at disney/universal 4 of those days I did just what you are talking about and only taking the S100 and only 3 days I took the 7D. YES the days I took just the S100 were far more enjoyable THEN. now later I really kick myself as my S100 images look no better than a phone. Last time I took a shoulder bag and yes after all the hours there it really strained my shoulder but mainly because my left shoulder is kind of troublesome (broken clavical w/ steel plate)

This time I'm taking a backpack which I can were much longer and I will also have a stroller I can throw the bag underneath as well.

So yes I do agree with you but at the same time I really really dislike 90% of the S100 photos. Even the 7D at night I ended up just putting away because how the images w/ F4 lenses turned out my ISO was too high. This time I'm really excited about the 5D3 and 1.4 glass and also havign a capable flash.


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Oct 22, 2015 10:19 |  #4

Depending on where you're staying, I'd toss a small tripod in the car as well. Not to carry around the parks, but nighttime shots on property. We could see the fireworks nightly from the beach at Caribbean Beach Resort and it would've made for some nice pictures. Having some fill flash will help with the harsh Florida sun and bouncing can really help on some of the indoor meet and greets.


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Oct 22, 2015 10:23 |  #5

BlakeC wrote in post #17755736 (external link)
I just couldn't see walking around Disney with a dslr. I feel like it would take the fun out of it. I would just bring something like an s100 and call it a day. Or just use my phone. Enjoy the trip.

In 20 years, do you really care if you have the best quality photos of Disney to look at? I think you will just be happy that you have any photos.

Either way... I'm sure you will take great photos! Enjoy the trip!

Not at all. I took the kids for a week, one DSLR & one short zoom. Only took a long zoom for the safari truck ride an Animal Kingdom.
Camera was at my side via a sling strap the entire time. Never once regretted having it with me :)


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Oct 22, 2015 10:28 |  #6

sporadic wrote in post #17755768 (external link)
Depending on where you're staying, I'd toss a small tripod in the car as well. Not to carry around the parks, but nighttime shots on property. We could see the fireworks nightly from the beach at Caribbean Beach Resort and it would've made for some nice pictures. Having some fill flash will help with the harsh Florida sun and bouncing can really help on some of the indoor meet and greets.

We are staying at the Disney All Star Music resort.... it was cheap :P

I'll be taking my small Sirui tripod with me as well.


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Oct 22, 2015 11:58 |  #7

I was just picturing you the entire time walking through taking photos. THAT would be a waste of a trip. I could see taking photos for some of the days and others just enjoying it.

For these things, I like to be light. Move through crowds and shops easily plus having to carry what i buy.


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Oct 22, 2015 12:30 |  #8

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I just couldn't see walking around Disney with a dslr.

As much as I love to bring my full kit with me when traveling, I'd agree with not bringing the big guns. I'd want to go on rides and not have a 5D3 around my neck. I personally wouldn't go to a point and shoot, because I would be more comfortable/confident with a DSLR, but I would definitely consider getting an SL1 and using it with just a couple of super light lenses like the 10-18 and some combination of the 18-55, 24 and 40 pancakes or 50 STM; whatever I could get in the smallest camera bag I have. That's a kit I would feel good about shooting with but not weighed down by.


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Oct 22, 2015 12:37 |  #9

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Well this purpose was lens focal length at disney and analyzing my needs for what I want to achieve and such.... I never mentioned which camera.... BUT...

without a doubt the images taken with the 7D even during the day were far better than the S100. I forgot to mention out of the 7 days at disney/universal 4 of those days I did just what you are talking about and only taking the S100 and only 3 days I took the 7D. YES the days I took just the S100 were far more enjoyable THEN. now later I really kick myself as my S100 images look no better than a phone. Last time I took a shoulder bag and yes after all the hours there it really strained my shoulder but mainly because my left shoulder is kind of troublesome (broken clavical w/ steel plate)

This time I'm taking a backpack which I can were much longer and I will also have a stroller I can throw the bag underneath as well.

So yes I do agree with you but at the same time I really really dislike 90% of the S100 photos. Even the 7D at night I ended up just putting away because how the images w/ F4 lenses turned out my ISO was too high. This time I'm really excited about the 5D3 and 1.4 glass and also havign a capable flash.


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Oct 22, 2015 13:15 |  #10

Bring everything! My trip last month i took the following:
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Oct 22, 2015 13:21 |  #11

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Bring everything! My trip last month i took the following:
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Oct 22, 2015 13:43 |  #12

Personally, I've narrowed my "Disney" kit down a bit. I use either my LowePro FastPack or Click Elite Escape bag; mainly because I like to have "dimensional" storage for things like wallets, sunscreen, sunglasses, etc that don't do well in flat storage. One camera body and my 24-70 2.8 for a main lens and my speedlight. I've been contemplating a 24-105 f/4 just for the extra versatility, but for indoor portraits I'm usually around 60ish mm so. . . . . I bring a 14mm 2.8 for wide shots and my carbon Sirui travel pod with Acratech head (very small and very light).

I do keep other kit "in reserve" however for certain parks or events. I keep a fast 50 for the nighttime holiday parades or if I want some dark ride shots, and a fast 35 for those days when I've got nothing in mind so I just bring it alone. I bring my 70-200 for Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom.


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Oct 22, 2015 13:47 |  #13

Scatterbrained wrote in post #17756040 (external link)
Personally, I've narrowed my "Disney" kit down a bit. I use either my LowePro FastPack or Click Elite Escape bag; mainly because I like to have "dimensional" storage for things like wallets, sunscreen, sunglasses, etc that don't do well in flat storage. One camera body and my 24-70 2.8 for a main lens and my speedlight. I've been contemplating a 24-105 f/4 just for the extra versatility, but for indoor portraits I'm usually around 60ish mm so. . . . . I bring a 14mm 2.8 for wide shots and my carbon Sirui travel pod with Acratech head (very small and very light).

I do keep other kit "in reserve" however for certain parks or events. I keep a fast 50 for the nighttime holiday parades or if I want some dark ride shots, and a fast 35 for those days when I've got nothing in mind so I just bring it alone. I bring my 70-200 for Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom.

I could see that being a good kit.

My next step is analyzing all my wide shots which since on crop would be a FF equivalent of 19mm-23mm and see if 24mm would of worked out or not. Trying to hash out if I need the 15-30 or if the 24-70 would be the best bet. The 24-70 is lighter. Just gotta see if I think it'll be wide enough.


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Oct 22, 2015 13:55 |  #14

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... My previous setup with F4 glass and crop meant I didn't walk away with anything considered "dreamy" with thin DOF. ...

The end.

Personally, when I take vacation family photos I don't want to blow out the background. I like to know where we've been. Thus I'd take a fast prime for when I can't use flash, such as some interior shots.




  
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Oct 22, 2015 13:57 as a reply to  @ BlakeC's post |  #15

TS has a stroller, DSLR is easy to manage with the stroller, a total non issue. If your going with bigger kids that walk, then that's a completely different scenario, but as long as you've got 1 stroller, it's much different.


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