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Oct 24, 2015 15:18 |  #9121

Not_a_Canon wrote in post #17758594 (external link)
What's the purpose of the shoot through square in front of the lens?

I'm going to venture a guess here, but possibly to help with any flare especially with some of the lights directly facing the camera.


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Oct 24, 2015 15:32 as a reply to  @ post 17758594 |  #9122

Light bounce back It,s a little thing but can make a huge difference in quality
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Oct 24, 2015 17:28 |  #9123

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I like your end results, but the catch lights from the reflectors to me dominate the eyes to much. Do you have similar shots using a hair light or a kicker? About how big is that space? I really like the setup and results, I'm trying to figure out how to do similar with very limited space.




  
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Oct 24, 2015 18:25 |  #9124

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I like your end results, but the catch lights from the reflectors to me dominate the eyes to much. Do you have similar shots using a hair light or a kicker? About how big is that space? I really like the setup and results, I'm trying to figure out how to do similar with very limited space.


A RingLight is perfect for this type of result, much cleaner catch lights too.


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Oct 24, 2015 18:56 |  #9125
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Some find the catchlights from ring lights unnatural, and there's also that dark halo of a shadow behind the subject.


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Oct 24, 2015 18:59 |  #9126

I like how her face is lighted, but the catch lights are to disjointed for my taste, to distracting.


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Oct 25, 2015 04:13 |  #9127

ShotByTom wrote in post #17758850 (external link)
A RingLight is perfect for this type of result, much cleaner catch lights too.

A ring light is similar, but not the same. This is side lighting, not front lighting. You get more modeling of the face contours with this set up. Ringlights tend to flatten the cheekbones where this set up accentuates the cheekbones. Also, with a ringlight, if someone turns their face the shot will always show a sort of "broad" lighting. This set up is the exact opposite. If the subject turns their face it automatically becomes "short" lighting. So no, a ringlight is not "perfect for this type of result" unless by "this type of result" you're only concerned with the light fall off and DOF.

Is there room for improvement? Sure there is, it's the first time I've used this set up. The catchlights are a bit "strong" but with an adult I think I could relocate the reflectors to where they are just giving a kiss of light to the center of the face without being so prominent in the eyes(try getting 5 and 6 yr old girls to sit still while you tune a light set up like this;)). I'm trying to talk my wife into sitting for me but she's always a bit leery about sitting for photos. -? I wouldn't let this shot be the deciding factor on the validity of this type of lighting set up. I think it has a lot to offer over using a ringlight, especially when you want to show the contour of the face.


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Oct 25, 2015 09:23 |  #9128

Thanks for posting that set up image Scatterbrained. People like me that are just beginning learn a lot from this and I appreciate it.


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Oct 25, 2015 13:48 |  #9129
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Scatterbrained, is the subject sitting behind the softboxes or just level with them?


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Oct 25, 2015 13:53 |  #9130

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Scatterbrained, is the subject sitting behind the softboxes or just level with them?

The edges of the softboxes are about level with the sides of the face.


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Oct 25, 2015 20:59 |  #9131

Heya,

Was experimenting with a speedlite in my kid's megablocks lego box full of legos (getting all kinds of colors reflecting out).

Problems:

Output was constantly changing due to legos moving around, the kid digging in them, etc. The colors would come out hot, real hot too. Even at 1/128 power, F1.4, 1/100s, and ISO 200, it was too over-exposed in some areas that I was not happy with. I needed a diffuser on the flash and I probably should have been shooting at F2.8 to get a better blend between ambient wrap and spill, and the hottest spots near the flash. Subject was a 2 year old, so zero control, but that's fun too. Manual focus lens, because AF doesn't work in this kind of darkness unless I use an AF assist beam, I may try that just to simplify things.

What I learned from these mistakes:

Next time, I will put a diffuser over the speedlite.
Shoot at F2.8 and ISO 100.
Virtually can shoot the speedlite at minimum power and it's still enough.
Probably mount/stick the speedlite into position in the box so it cannot be moved.
Idea: put speedlite in bottom. Pin a layer of cloth over it. Then fill with a few legos. Output will be more consistent and softer.
Gonna try the AF assist beam method too and see what happens.

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Oct 25, 2015 21:08 |  #9132

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Heya,

Was experimenting with a speedlite in my kid's megablocks lego box full of legos (getting all kinds of colors reflecting out).

Problems:

Output was constantly changing due to legos moving around, the kid digging in them, etc. The colors would come out hot, real hot too. Even at 1/128 power, F1.4, 1/100s, and ISO 200, it was too over-exposed in some areas that I was not happy with. I needed a diffuser on the flash and I probably should have been shooting at F2.8 to get a better blend between ambient wrap and spill, and the hottest spots near the flash. Subject was a 2 year old, so zero control, but that's fun too. Manual focus lens, because AF doesn't work in this kind of darkness unless I use an AF assist beam, I may try that just to simplify things.

What I learned from these mistakes:

Next time, I will put a diffuser over the speedlite.
Shoot at F2.8 and ISO 100.
Virtually can shoot the speedlite at minimum power and it's still enough.
Probably mount/stick the speedlite into position in the box so it cannot be moved.
Idea: put speedlite in bottom. Pin a layer of cloth over it. Then fill with a few legos. Output will be more consistent and softer.
Gonna try the AF assist beam method too and see what happens.

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Yongnuo 560 III at 1/128 power in the box

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Really like this idea, and the execution isn't that bad either. This post-reminded me that I've been wanting to do something similar for Christmas. I'm thinking dark room, lit tree in the background, and somebody looking into a box covered with wrapping paper.


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Oct 25, 2015 21:26 |  #9133

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Really like this idea, and the execution isn't that bad either. This post-reminded me that I've been wanting to do something similar for Christmas. I'm thinking dark room, lit tree in the background, and somebody looking into a box covered with wrapping paper.

That's kind of the idea. Just prepping ideas for the holidays. Already working on something with a few pumpkins. Just need time off to actually do it.

I need to work on softening and lowering the speedlite and mounting it so I can actually control it better, I was at the whim of gravity and random falling blocks and a 2 year old's choices with this one.

I also need to figure out how to get AF assist beams to work on my gear. I can't seem to get it to work. Bleh.

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