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Oct 15, 2015 15:51 |  #3631

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17746843 (external link)
Hi Peter, it's been a while, but I used to use the Beamer quite a bit. Better noise handling cameras have helped, but on occasion I still pull it out. (newer bodies do not help with flat gray lighting for instance)

Your Kingfisher above, wonderful as it is, with the right amount of controlled flash used as fill would have brought out the color and eyes. (you MUST use a bracket to get the flash far enough away to eliminate "steel eye" )

I've never had anyone comment in person, but I don't often shoot in crowds.

I've read and participated in a number of threads on this forum that included those that felt flash was an abhorrence for bird photography.

I disagree. Like anything else, it is a tool that has it's time and place. It is horrible if overused, but with finesses it can make a good image great.

In all the times I've used it, I've never had a bird or mammal take flight (or run) because of the flash.

Hi Jake thank you very much for sharing your take with the beamer, very positive for me and by specially mentioning the use of flash bracket. Thanks again.


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Oct 15, 2015 16:20 |  #3632

Much reduced in size jpeg, circa 2007 1D MkIII 500mm with 1.4x 580EX better beamer and wimberley flash bracket;


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Oct 15, 2015 17:07 |  #3633

One of many images from my old buddy. My daughter spotted this fella or lady in our neighbor's yard as they were pulling into the driveway. She had my wife call me and I immediately went to work. I was not sure if it was injured or had a catch, but it was just sitting there looking around. It allowed me to take tons of shots at different angles and exposure and I was able to get really low (thought it would take off when I did that, but it just sat there looking around and at me). This one is wide open, which I like the best because it wiped out the background. Handheld.

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Oct 15, 2015 23:59 |  #3634

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17746880 (external link)
Much reduced in size jpeg, circa 2007 1D MkIII 500mm with 1.4x 580EX better beamer and wimberley flash bracket;


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Cool shots. I will try to go out tomorrow and use my flash bracket but for now without a better beamer. I will order it next week.


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Oct 16, 2015 12:20 |  #3635

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17746880 (external link)
Much reduced in size jpeg, circa 2007 1D MkIII 500mm with 1.4x 580EX better beamer and wimberley flash bracket;


Peter2516 wrote in post #17747402 (external link)
Cool shots. I will try to go out tomorrow and use my flash bracket but for now without a better beamer. I will order it next week.

Interesting that this came up. I've really been contemplating the use of a flash and better beamer with my set up.
Jake and Peter, would you mind posting exactly which bracket it is that you currently use? I really need to join a photography club as I know less than nothing about using flash for bird photography.
If you use your set up in the near future, could you snap a photo and post it? Or is there thread somewhere already started about flash photography for birds?

Thanks for any guidance.

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Oct 16, 2015 13:00 |  #3636

I am using this one from Wimberley;

http://www.tripodhead.​com …et-telephoto-brackets.cfm (external link)
http://www.naturescape​s.net/store/flash-brackets/ (external link)

I have the pieces for both the complete F1 to use with any body/lens, and the F4 "M5" adapter piece for use on the Wimberley head, and often just use the parts that make up the F6 for use on a sidekick. (All F6 parts. M1 and M3, come with the F1 kit)

All the parts can be ordered separately to make any combo required, or to "grow" your rig's flexibility.
http://www.tripodhead.​com …et-individual-modules.cfm (external link)

This is really the first bracket designed from the ground up to be used with super telephotos and a better beamer. It was the only game in town for many years.

More info;
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The Sidekick set up;

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The Wimberley head set up;
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And the "fits any Arca lens plate or body plate" set up;
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Oct 16, 2015 13:19 |  #3637

ID rocks wrote in post #17747976 (external link)
.... I know less than nothing about using flash for bird photography...

There are a few ways to take advantage of flash for use with bird photography, but by far the easiest way is using it as I have above for fill to help bring out color in bland lighting.

Set flash to work with hi speed synch, ETTL, and dial the FEC (Flash exposure Compensation) back a stop or more for starters.
In this case your cameras exposure settings remain just as if you were not using flash at all, it is set to use ambient light for the exposure. In my above examples I was shooting AV, with setting identical those I used without flash,.

With ETTL and dialed back FEC however the flash will fire, and adjust it's power output automatically via ETTL to give a nice low powered fill.

To experiment with different ratios vs. ambient light, simply adjust FEC up or down for desired results.

It' so simple even a Bird photographer can do it! :)

More complex uses would involve using the flash as your main light source, or using it to attempt to combat shadows under harsh lighting.


Some good reading;
http://www.digitalbird​photography.com/4.3.ht​ml (external link)


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Oct 16, 2015 14:06 |  #3638

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17748065 (external link)
It' so simple even a Bird photographer can do it! :)

Nice. :-)
Thanks for the info. Will start looking into this over the weekend.

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Oct 16, 2015 16:54 |  #3639

Just to confuse things a little bit, I have both the better Beamer and the one made by harbor digital and much prefer the latter.


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Oct 17, 2015 01:23 |  #3640

Jake thank you for the images and links I might get the f1 bracket in a future but for now I have a stroboframe bracket that I already have to use it for the meantime.

Larry thanks for the info about the HD flash extenders. I know it is foldable but seems more sturdy and easier to attach.

Dan I only have the cheap stroboframe to use for now.


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Oct 17, 2015 11:41 |  #3641

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17748065 (external link)
There are a few ways to take advantage of flash for use with bird photography, but by far the easiest way is using it as I have above for fill to help bring out color in bland lighting.

Set flash to work with hi speed synch, ETTL, and dial the FEC (Flash exposure Compensation) back a stop or more for starters.
In this case your cameras exposure settings remain just as if you were not using flash at all, it is set to use ambient light for the exposure. In my above examples I was shooting AV, with setting identical those I used without flash,.

With ETTL and dialed back FEC however the flash will fire, and adjust it's power output automatically via ETTL to give a nice low powered fill.

To experiment with different ratios vs. ambient light, simply adjust FEC up or down for desired results.

It' so simple even a Bird photographer can do it! :)

More complex uses would involve using the flash as your main light source, or using it to attempt to combat shadows under harsh lighting.

Some good reading;
http://www.digitalbird​photography.com/4.3.ht​ml (external link)

I just happened to see your great discussion on flash brackets. Another wonderful option which offers some really quick adjustments in the field is the Custom Brackets option:
http://www.custombrack​ets.com …b-gimbal-flash-mount.html (external link)

I bought this earlier this year and I absolutely love it!


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Oct 21, 2015 12:50 |  #3643

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Oct 27, 2015 12:40 |  #3644

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They let you in the air show with than lens? Which show did you attend?

Why won't they let you in to an airshow with a 500mm? Are there restrictions on lenses at airshows in the US?

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Oct 27, 2015 17:13 |  #3645

Looking at this thread made me want to dig out a photo taken with the fantastic 500 f/4 L.
Here is one from Axalp two years ago, when I still had it. This lens with the EOS 1D MkIV was a really good combo. Heavy, but really good :)
Unfortunately, both are sold in favour of a 7D MkII and a 300 f/2.8 II

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