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Oct 29, 2015 09:39 |  #1

Which prime would you advise on a 6D fullframe on top of the 24-70/70-200 for shots at the hairdresser,getting ready,church? The 50 1.4 Art or 85 1.2L mkI ?

Did you also work with a shotlist to remember all poses/combinations of family members the first time?

Any tips for best positions in the church, at the back somewhere hidden not to bother the audience too much? :)


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Oct 29, 2015 10:05 |  #2

i'd say a 50. an 85 tends to be too tight indoors for me.

i get a shot list but i rarely follow it. I just look it over for anything out out of the ordinary or special they want. the day moves so fast. checking off a list is a chore. just gather the family and have the bride/groom have have them do group on the. start with large groups first and then let people go.

i dont worry about bothering the audience. i move around. make sure you have a second body so you can use both the 24-70 and the 70-200at the church.


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Oct 29, 2015 10:27 |  #3

What do you envision doing with this prime. Personally the primes are mainly for portraits and low light conditions where flash isn't an option. I would go with the better portrait lens, the 85.




  
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Oct 29, 2015 10:29 |  #4

I used the 70-200 2.8 at my nephews wedding. I was able to get great shots and enabled me to not be in the way of others.


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Oct 29, 2015 10:32 |  #5

gossamer88 wrote in post #17764412 (external link)
I used the 70-200 2.8 at my nephews wedding. I was able to get great shots and enabled me to not be in the way of others.

I use this strategy sometimes. Good for candids and not being noticed too! Only problem is....it gives ppl more chance to get between your lens and the subject.


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Oct 29, 2015 12:26 |  #6

CanonYouCan wrote in post #17764365 (external link)
Which prime would you advise on a 6D full frame on top of the 24-70/70-200 for shots at the hairdresser,getting ready,church? The 50 1.4 Art or 85 1.2L mkI ?

Did you also work with a shotlist to remember all poses/combinations of family members the first time?

Any tips for best positions in the church, at the back somewhere hidden not to bother the audience too much? :)


If this is the first time, those 2 lenses are all you need - keep it simple - assuming they are F2.8.

In terms of answering your questions:

Hair dresser
- the issue with the 85, if it is your one fast prime, is not just FoV, which can be very tight in tight spaces, it is also minimum focus distance
- for example, bride is getting hair done and you want to get in close for an artistic eyelash shot, etc, etc - hard to do (not impossible) with the 85L - you can do it with the 100L however - thus I would swap out the 70-200, put on the 100L and keep the 24-70 on the other camera. If you were a Prime person then 35/100 or 50/100 at this point is perfect

Getting Ready
- 24-70 on one camera, 50 1.4 on the other if light is poor or looking for Shallow Depth of Field shot
- if space allows, keep the 70-200 on for narrow FoV and compression
- can also use the 135L at F2 on 2nd camera if space allows
- if this is the time where you are getting that wedding dress money shot, then portable softbox / umbrella is nice to have

Church
- poor lighting 50 1.4 is good but 35 1.4 or even 24 1.4 are better for short lenses - allows you to capture far larger FoV
- other lens in a church should be 70-200 or 135 F2 (but flexibility is key so giving up the 70-200 is a very tough choice and not advisable on your first gig)

Shot list / Family Members
- definitely have this is your pocket - it will make you feel better - but also go with the flow when necessary
- have the bride send you a list of her and groom's family that will be in pictures, who they are and how it all fits together, if anyone is divorced, people that might not get along, etc, and how she wants pictures / groups to fit together
- start with bride and groom, and then build up from there starting with the bride's side of the family
- after bride's side is done, keep the parents around ask the groom's parents to join as the transition picture and then the bride's parents can leave and you build up the groom side
- to make it go fast, try and have the bride move as little as possible and have people move around her

Church Tips
- get the rules where you are allowed to be
- it is your job to get the shots - get them
- Front of the Church with 70-200 and AI Servo getting everyone walking towards you
- if you then have time, or remote camera, or second shooter, shot from back of church with bride walking down aisle from behind - especially if she has a beautiful dress and the church is beautiful
- snap a few of the groom as bride is walking in - and also parent's / family faces looking at her (these are golden - especially older relatives)
- shoot at the bride when groom is speaking and at groom when bride is speaking
- when people are seated shoot the family members watching the ceremony
- if you have to pick a side, pick the side so that you are shooting at the bride
- put your camera on quiet mode
- if there is an elevated section at the back, get up there to take an overview picture
- back of church / middle of aisle when they are walking down the aisle


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Oct 29, 2015 15:31 |  #7

Thanks, and for the location shoot I thought of also some shots of the bride and groom from above, on the ground kissing with some leafs over them.
And a shot low in the ground which shows the coloured autumn leafs blurry and the couple kissing sharp.
For this the 24-70 2.8VC will probably be sufficient, no extra 16-35 f4L IS needed :)

I'm also doubting between RAW (20MB) or MRAW (11MB) to save some space ?
I guess pictures won't need to be enlarged extremely big :)

I won't use RAW+jpg as some do, in between I will select a picture, put in JPG at home and send to the photobooth (weddingparty is close to my home).


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Oct 29, 2015 16:14 |  #8

Depending on the venue, I'm shooting a lot of weddings with just a 35 and a 135. Two magical primes.


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Oct 29, 2015 16:31 as a reply to  @ CanonYouCan's post |  #9

The advantage of Raw versus medium raw is ability to fix things in PS

My routine is do everything I want to do in LR and then tag the photos I want to do more in PS
- fix clothing, fix skin, body sculpt, fix double chin, etc
- for all of the above more pixels equals better as the image hold together better
- and similarly, why I will use my 5dsr if I know I want to use PS

I go with the multiple 32 gig card route (but multiple 16gig even 8s are fine) - and switch during the day a few times for safety reasons. I shoot with dual card cameras so I don't do backups during the day but if I were you I would have some way to do a backup.

I have done eyefi on the 2nd card using Protect button to send jpgs to a Notebook but I never found it reliable enough - that was my only reason for jpgs - but with next gen wifi cameras may be useful again to do it.


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Oct 29, 2015 16:34 |  #10

Don't use mraw. The minimal gain in storage comes at the risk of downrezzing an important shot. Of you can't afford extra memory cards then you aren't ready to shoot weddings.




  
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Jan 21, 2016 10:44 |  #11

gonzogolf wrote in post #17764812 (external link)
Of you can't afford extra memory cards then you aren't ready to shoot weddings.

How are people supposed to learn anything from this site with asinine comments like this from a guy who has made over 20k comments???




  
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Jan 21, 2016 10:52 |  #12

My choice would be the 85mm f/1.2 just for the improved bokeh, since 85 is pretty close to the sweet spot for many types of portraits. My assistant, however, who is a pro in his own right, can pretty much go all day on a 50 f/1.4 and nail a lot of great stuff. I prefer a little more compression.




  
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Jan 21, 2016 10:54 |  #13

Brad999 wrote in post #17866989 (external link)
How are people supposed to learn anything from this site with asinine comments like this from a guy who has made over 20k comments???

That's a 100% accurate statement. If you can't afford to spend $50-75 for a set of backup memory cards, you shouldn't be shooting someone's most important day of their lives. What do you do if your only memory card you brought, because you were too cheap to have spares, fails? Or if you run out of card space halfway through the ceremony?




  
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Jan 21, 2016 11:10 |  #14

Brad999 wrote in post #17866989 (external link)
How are people supposed to learn anything from this site with asinine comments like this from a guy who has made over 20k comments???

To do weddings you need backup at critical, points, including memory cards. Having only one card, or worrying about the space on your card simply means you arent ready to be a wedding pro. Cards are cheap. Do you want a photograpjer to skimp on quality because they cant spend 30 bucks for an extra card?




  
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Jan 21, 2016 12:15 |  #15

I think you are TOTALLY fine with your lenses now. I think it is more of a WANT than a need. For your WANT I would go with a 35 1.4 prime.

As for shooting MRAW or RAW, I would just shoot RAW.. It was a good consideration.. It is not only a matter of space but a matter of speed for processing.

Now quit buying lenses *LOL*


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