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Nov 15, 2015 16:12 |  #7126

McNeese72 wrote in post #17784115 (external link)
I forgot about collections. Sometimes, I will put the selected photos from one game in a collection for that game so I can find them easier.

Also, the kicker/punter for McNeese is a senior and I got a request for a DVD of photos that I took in his four year career. I made a collection for him and made it a targeted collection. Then I went through all of the games during his career and added them to his targeted collection. Right now I have 324 photos of him in the collection with one regular season game to go and, hopefully, many playoff games. After the season will done, I just have to go to the collection, cull some of them out, and then export them to a folder to burn to the DVD.

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Nov 15, 2015 16:37 |  #7127

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...I normally shoot auto-ISO...Doc

Doc, I think you should consider discontinuing using Auto ISO for night games and figure out the proper exposure for the home team stadium, including ISO. I say this because the lighting is constant and not changing, correct. You stated that you shoot for the college and I assume you shoot all of their home games. If this is the case, you should be able to establish the proper exposure for the stadium and every time you shoot there, you just use the same settings (look at your photos exif to get an idea of the ISOs). Once you get the proper setting, just set it and forget it. Ex. set your camera to f2.8, SS 1000, ISO, shoot one of the players and check the exposure on the back of the camera (i.e histogram). Auto ISO will change ISO just about every time you point your camera at any different part of a player. If you use LR, you can filter by exposure and see how many times ISO changed during the game. To make changing ISO easy for me, I have ISO on my Set button, which allows me to change it very quickly when needed without looking at the back of the camera or removing my hand from the camera (hold the set button and spin the main dial), but since I have the correct exposure, I haven't needed to make any changes. Btw, you can get away with SS 500-800 (I don't go below 800 though). Also, using the same exposure allows easier and faster editing because the exposure is the same for all shots (thinking batch processing).

Note: If there are some dark areas on the field (I assume the lighting is pretty decent since it's a college) you can quickly adjust ISO to compensate, but to be honest once you get the proper setting you should be good.

Just so you know, I am not making these statements without having done so myself. I am now shooting night games as the county is starting to install lighting at many of the HS team fields. I had to figure out the setting for this one particular field and now when I go, it's automatic; f2.8, SS800, ISO 8000 or f2.8, SS 10000, SS 1000-1250. Ironically, I asked another photographer what his settings were and they were the same. Below are some samples.

http://www.methodicali​mages.com/p1184877 (external link) (this game was f2.8, SS1250, ISO 10000 and 12800)
http://www.methodicali​mages.com/p589940474 (external link) (this game was f2.8, SS800, ISO 8000)


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Nov 15, 2015 16:55 |  #7128

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I posted a couple photographs on the 7D2 focus thread, but I have to tell you... I am relieved. I rolled back my 7D2's firmware to 1.0.4 after discussing this with Canon.

My 7D2 is back being magical for me again. The 7D2/100-400ii combo is the best thing to happen to me and my photography. I'm glad it's back performing like it used to.

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Did Canon roll you back to 1.04? I am glad I did not upgrade the FW.


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Nov 15, 2015 17:11 |  #7129

Methodical wrote in post #17785049 (external link)
Did Canon roll you back to 1.04? I am glad I did not upgrade the FW.

Canon didn't do the roll back but they gave me permission, if you will. I called the CPS group in NJ and the very nice woman who took my call put me on hold for about 5 minutes while she found out if there would be any negative effects of rolling back the firmware to 1.0.4.

Someone there said it would be no problem. It sounded too easy to be true and as I've mentioned, I had no idea if it would work. To be clear (again), I'm not suggesting anyone try the roll back unless they don't seem to have any other choice. It worked for me, but that means very little in the grand scheme of things. I'm just one guy with a problematic camera and found a fix that worked for my 7D2/100-400Lii combo.


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Nov 15, 2015 17:43 |  #7130

Gschlact reminded of one thing I left out in my post and it is something, after watching many videos and having it branded in my brain, that I almost fanatical about. That is to level all the "damn" horizons or get the verticals straight. I do that when I'm cropping the photos.

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Nov 15, 2015 17:52 |  #7131

Methodical wrote in post #17785032 (external link)
Doc, I think you should consider discontinuing using Auto ISO for night games and figure out the proper exposure for the home team stadium, including ISO. I say this because the lighting is constant and not changing, correct. You stated that you shoot for the college and I assume you shoot all of their home games. If this is the case, you should be able to establish the proper exposure for the stadium and every time you shoot there, you just use the same settings (look at your photos exif to get an idea of the ISOs). Once you get the proper setting, just set it and forget it. Ex. set your camera to f2.8, SS 1000, ISO, shoot one of the players and check the exposure on the back of the camera (i.e histogram). Auto ISO will change ISO just about every time you point your camera at any different part of a player. If you use LR, you can filter by exposure and see how many times ISO changed during the game. To make changing ISO easy for me, I have ISO on my Set button, which allows me to change it very quickly when needed without looking at the back of the camera or removing my hand from the camera (hold the set button and spin the main dial), but since I have the correct exposure, I haven't needed to make any changes. Btw, you can get away with SS 500-800 (I don't go below 800 though). Also, using the same exposure allows easier and faster editing because the exposure is the same for all shots (thinking batch processing).

Note: If there are some dark areas on the field (I assume the lighting is pretty decent since it's a college) you can quickly adjust ISO to compensate, but to be honest once you get the proper setting you should be good.

Just so you know, I am not making these statements without having done so myself. I am now shooting night games as the county is starting to install lighting at many of the HS team fields. I had to figure out the setting for this one particular field and now when I go, it's automatic; f2.8, SS800, ISO 8000 or f2.8, SS 10000, SS 1000-1250. Ironically, I asked another photographer what his settings were and they were the same. Below are some samples.

http://www.methodicali​mages.com/p1184877 (external link) (this game was f2.8, SS1250, ISO 10000 and 12800)
http://www.methodicali​mages.com/p589940474 (external link) (this game was f2.8, SS800, ISO 8000)

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When the stadium is completely dark I might try that. I'm open to suggestions and I'm definitely not an expert. One problem is taking quick shots of the sidelines and in the stands. The lighting there is definitely darker. If I want to get a quick shot of something happening in the stands, I may not have to time to play around with the ISO to get the exposure.

Now for the coliseum where McNeese plays basketball. They just changed to some great LED lighting before last season and the lighting is pretty consistent all over. I can go full manual there because I know the settings I can use and I also know the correct white balance.

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Nov 15, 2015 17:53 as a reply to  @ post 17784776 |  #7132

Stunning work.


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Nov 15, 2015 17:56 |  #7133

Fun is over, flying back to old man winter tomorrow. Could bore you all with more owls and too many birds to count but think
Pondrader and Ancientone will like this one :) The key was having someone else command his attention....

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Nov 15, 2015 18:05 |  #7134

javapop wrote in post #17784848 (external link)
Thans Doc for taking the time to outline your method. Just curious, how many shots do you shoot at a football game? Do you find lightroom low when scanning through you initially cull them?

Quite a few years ago I worked for the SID at UGA; but almost 30 years later, I freelancer for a newspaper. I use pretty similar setup, and also the desire for a 400 f2.8 :)

Last game I had 826 exposures which included tailgating, band, cheerleaders, etc. Of the game play on the field itselt, it was right at 500.
When I import them into LR, i have LR build standard previews. Going through them in the library module at full screen doesn't take too long.

Where I'm finding LR real slow, after the last few updates, is exporting. It's taking forever to export files to jpegs now.

I don't know if I'm the only one experiencing this.

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Nov 15, 2015 18:07 |  #7135

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Nov 15, 2015 18:14 |  #7136

MedicineMan ....Sgt..........WICKE​D


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Nov 15, 2015 18:15 as a reply to  @ MedicineMan4040's post |  #7137

Ok Ill trade you the Black fly for one of those ??


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Nov 15, 2015 18:40 as a reply to  @ Pondrader's post |  #7138

Haha!!!!!!!! So funny. And no deal :) I think I'm fast for an old feller but not fast enough.


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Nov 15, 2015 18:40 |  #7139

^^ Beautiful work MM & Sgt

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