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Dec 01, 2015 15:05 |  #16

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Go full frame. I have a 7D Mark II and a Sony A7, unless im shooting live bands I tend to reach for the A7 90% of the time. I've use my friend's 6D and it even has one stop better ISO than my A7. The 7DM2 is horrible at high iso.


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Dec 01, 2015 20:04 |  #17

I think it mostly figured out. 6D, 85 1.8, 24-105, 50 1.8. I will need to get a wide angle and will do so when I figure out which one to get. I will add the 70-200 down the road for a zoom.


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Dec 01, 2015 21:19 |  #18

I spent about a year transitioning from apsc to full frame. You are right to not get too exercised about L-glass. If you want the best zooms, you'll need L. Not so with primes. I use the 28 1.8, 35 IS, 50 1.4, and 85 1.8. No complaints at all. I use a 17-40 at the wide end and 70-200 f/4L IS at the long end. It all works just fine for me.




  
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Dec 02, 2015 11:24 |  #19

For an inexpensive wide angle check out the Rokinon 14mm, I just picked one up from Adorama for $249


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Dec 02, 2015 11:38 |  #20

Heya,

Save your money a bit longer.

For 75% of your shootin being real-estate, moving to full frame and getting wide stuff, etc, it's going to cost you a ton and result in some web-images. You gain next to nothing. You'd be better off buying lighting if that really is your bulk work, and a good lens with minimal distortion (not ultrawide). On APS-C, that would be 16~35. There happens to be a very good lens for that by Canon... This would be better than getting a full frame just to produce web-images for real estate. Not trying to be negative, just trying to figure out the allure to full frame for this purpose.

Unless you feel the other 25% of what you shoot warrants the move to full frame. It's not a magic bullet, you need good lenses to really make this worth while, which means primes, or very expensive zooms.

Personally I would wait a bit longer. Let the holidays pass. Let the next release cycle land. Then get a 6D later, when prices have dropped even more. By then a 5D2 may even be $700ish too. The next release cycle will have a lot of full frames hitting the used market. That's the better time to buy, gain from those who are chasing gear cycle upgrades.

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Dec 02, 2015 11:50 |  #21

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For an inexpensive wide angle check out the Rokinon 14mm, I just picked one up from Adorama for $249

I had that lens in the B&H cart for 3 weeks and decided not to get it for now. Not sure that was the right decision. I noticed you can get the Nikon with the AF chip for $349 but the one for Canon is $499.

I know AF does not really matter for that focal length but I have always been a AF person. If the Canon one was $349 I would have gone for it. Still waiting for a wide angle STM for FF to come out or something else. I looked at the 16-35, 17-40 options but I have a 24-70 II. I just need an inexpensive light WA prime for occasional shooting. I may yet press the order button. There were no BF deals on those. If so I may have.


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Dec 02, 2015 12:00 |  #22

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I had that lens in the B&H cart for 3 weeks and decided not to get it for now. Not sure that was the right decision. I noticed you can get the Nikon with the AF chip for $349 but the one for Canon is $499.

I know AF does not really matter for that focal length but I have always been a AF person. If the Canon one was $349 I would have gone for it. Still waiting for a wide angle STM for FF to come out or something else. I looked at the 16-35, 17-40 options but I have a 24-70 II. I just need an inexpensive light WA prime for occasional shooting. I may yet press the order button. There were no BF deals on those. If so I may have.

Whichever way you go this is a great lens. I got the Canon version at a deep discount and I haven't regretted it. That said there are always deals on this lens so I'd wait it out. Have you checked out the Bower version? Same lens. In all honesty I think the AF chip is something you just don't need with this lens. For daytime use I set it anywhere from F/8 - f/16, focus at about 1 meter and shoot way. Absolutely everything is sharp. For night photography all you have to do is focus at infinity. You'll probably read a lot that the lens can be a little finicky in revealing it's infinity focus point but I was lucky enough to get one with a hard stop infinity focus. Anyway, all this to say that the AF chip is really superfluous on this lens.


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Dec 02, 2015 12:29 |  #23

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Whichever way you go this is a great lens. I got the Canon version at a deep discount and I haven't regretted it. That said there are always deals on this lens so I'd wait it out. Have you checked out the Bower version? Same lens. In all honesty I think the AF chip is something you just don't need with this lens. For daytime use I set it anywhere from F/8 - f/16, focus at about 1 meter and shoot way. Absolutely everything is sharp. For night photography all you have to do is focus at infinity. You'll probably read a lot that the lens can be a little finicky in revealing it's infinity focus point but I was lucky enough to get one with a hard stop infinity focus. Anyway, all this to say that the AF chip is really superfluous on this lens.

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Dec 02, 2015 13:21 |  #24

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Dec 02, 2015 15:16 |  #25

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I think it mostly figured out. 6D, 85 1.8, 24-105, 50 1.8. I will need to get a wide angle and will do so when I figure out which one to get. I will add the 70-200 down the road for a zoom.

This is a good plan. The 85 is a stellar portrait lens. Additionally, while the image quality isn't perfect, you really can't do better than 24-105 for a general purpose FF zoom at that price point. It's pretty easy to find people selling new 24-105's for around $650. Assuming you buy both at the same time, just get the 6D/24-105 kit.

Wide angle is a lot tougher on FF these days. It used to be a pretty easy decision between a 17-40, 16-35 f2.8, or a 3rd party like the Tokina. Now there are additional choices like the 16-35 f4 IS which makes things tougher to choose the one that is right for you. Holding on to the 7D/10-18 combo is a good bet until you have some experience on FF and have a better idea of which one will be right for you.

You'll like the low-light ability of FF. Just gives you so much more flexibility when shooting indoors.


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Dec 02, 2015 17:13 as a reply to  @ shaunmcfd's post |  #26

The 7D2 is about 1 stop better than the 7D, and is quite manageable at high ISO. The 6D is a good value at the current prices however. I have both the 7D2 and 5D3, and am getting to the point I can make the 7D2 sing a pretty good tune at high ISO. Final and before/after at 100% below...


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Dec 02, 2015 18:08 |  #27

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The 7D2 is about 1 stop better than the 7D, and is quite manageable at high ISO. The 6D is a good value at the current prices however. I have both the 7D2 and 5D3, and am getting to the point I can make the 7D2 sing a pretty good tune at high ISO. Final and before/after at 100% below...
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Nice. If you're using Lightroom, do you mind sharing the settings you used to get there? I have yet to be able to reduce noise that effectively without ruining sharpness.


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Dec 02, 2015 18:12 as a reply to  @ mikepj's post |  #28

I use photoshop, and along with some of its filters, I use a Noiseware plugin to do additional noise removal. However, several here use LR and know how to use the masking sliders, etc to get similar results.


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Nice. If you're using Lightroom, do you mind sharing the settings you used to get there? I have yet to be able to reduce noise that effectively without ruining sharpness.

Here is a bit on it.

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Dec 04, 2015 05:12 |  #30

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Well I think it is clear. FF is more of a want than a need. If you were going to stick with the 7D I recommend looking at the 17-55 2.8IS. I paired that with my 7D for years. Great combo. If you decide to go FF, having used the 6D for a while I would look for a used 5D3 instead. The 6D is a great camera but I found it a little small and I didn't get along well without the now very familiar joystick of the 5D3. The 6D enjoys a slight advantage in AF when it is very dark but that advantage is moot for practical purposes. Other than that small advantage for the 6D the 5D3 has a much more versatile AF system. Definitely worth considering. Good luck.

The reasons above were what kept me from adding a 5D Mark II (2) when using a 7D a few years back. With the 5D Mark III introduction with many of the 7D features, I knew it was time to go full frame.


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