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Dec 13, 2015 02:53 |  #31

My old nifty II gave me some nice landscapes, including one of my favorite all time photos. Have to have a look at my files from my new 50.


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Dec 31, 2015 15:03 |  #32

I really like my 50mm f/1.4 for lansdcapes. I don't know if you really need one if you've already got a good zoom that covers 50mm, but for me, my trusty 50mm is, for landscapes, probably the second most used lens in my bag.

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Dec 31, 2015 16:11 |  #33

Well, that is a pretty good example of that EOS 50/1.4 bokeh. And Dillon, I don't mean that as a criticism of your photo, but the OOF region in your sample photo does exhibit the classic 'busy' bokeh that the 50/1.4 is well known for due to heavy bright ring effect.

A lot of people are surprised when I tell them that the 50/1.4 has some of the worst bokeh of the Canon lenses (24-105L is another). I should bookmark this image as an example.


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Dec 31, 2015 19:25 |  #34

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you'll see that even the 24-70ii compared to the 50mm stm, has that same issue: http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=6 (external link)

I kind of stopped shooting landscapes with zooms for this reason. Even the best zooms are just average compared to cheapo primes. The advantage of primes is that they're usually fast and can double as portrait/low light stuff.


Some interesting comparisons IME in TDP. For instance I thought my 50 1.4 would be better than the 24-105 @50mm, f8, but they are virtually identical across the frame (some differences but on average its a wash). I have no idea if I have a good 24-105 or a bad 50, but the 24-105 I have is really quite decent across the frame from 40-60mm. Only at 24 or 105 is it much worse in the corners.


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Dec 31, 2015 20:28 |  #35

Even after ultimately not going for a prime I do eventually want one. I really like what the upgraded 1.8 STM is bringing to the table. If I was going to buy another L it would most likely be the 35mm f/1.4L II.




  
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Dec 31, 2015 20:44 |  #36

ejenner wrote in post #17839542 (external link)
Some interesting comparisons IME in TDP. For instance I thought my 50 1.4 would be better than the 24-105 @50mm, f8, but they are virtually identical across the frame (some differences but on average its a wash). I have no idea if I have a good 24-105 or a bad 50, but the 24-105 I have is really quite decent across the frame from 40-60mm. Only at 24 or 105 is it much worse in the corners.

I'm shooting a higher MP body these days, and the difference is more jarring:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=6 (external link)

You can see that the primes are in a different league. I find that the sony prime is a bit better than the canon stopped down, makes it a great people lens and a fantastic landscape lens.


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Dec 31, 2015 21:51 as a reply to  @ JeffreyG's post |  #37

Well, there's a reason why the lens is only $439 Canadian. The bokeh isn't as nice as the f/1.2L or even the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art, but both of those are considerably more expensive. Having said that, my particular EF 50mm f/1.4 is pretty good. It's very sharp in the centre at f/1.6, it focuses quickly and it fits in any jacket pocket. I am happy with it.

Honestly, the bokeh in this photo isn't unpleasant to me. It's better than the 50mm f/1.8 II that I had previously. I posted this photo mainly to show that you can indeed shoot landscapes at f/1.4. Would it have been nicer with a 50L? Sure, but I can't afford one at the moment.


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Jan 04, 2016 00:17 |  #38

Charlie wrote in post #17839602 (external link)
I'm shooting a higher MP body these days, and the difference is more jarring:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=6 (external link)

You can see that the primes are in a different league. I find that the sony prime is a bit better than the canon stopped down, makes it a great people lens and a fantastic landscape lens.


A different league? I see the 50 better in the corner only and from looking at my copies I think this is only the case in the very extreme corner. Over the rest of the frame you can find places where the 24-105 is better. TDP just has 3 points which is a nice overview but does not let the whole story.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a huge 24-105 fan. I own one, use it a lot, but I definitely don't think it is a super-sharp lens. So I'm not surprised that there are 50mm prines that are noticeably better than the 24-105@50mm and I can see the point of having one for landscapes if you shoot that FL a lot, I just doubt the Canon 50 1.8 or 1.4's are going to actually be much better on average at f8+.


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Jan 04, 2016 05:12 |  #39

So you want a 50mm prime that does landscapes well, and can do double duty for indoor shots/portraits. These would be my choices:

Sigma 50mm Art - this would be my first choice. More affordable and with better IQ than the 50L, especially in the sharpness department, where it matter most for landscapes. Fast f/1.4 for indoor/low light.

50mm f/1.2L - this is my favorite lens, and it does this stuff well enough for me. I have sharper zoom lenses in my bag (16-35 f/4, which seems to have gotten your vote too) that would work better for landscape, but the all around aperture versatility allows this lens to easily do the double duty you ask.

Zeiss f/2 Makro-Planar - I really, really want to get this lens someday for creative work. It has a rendering to it that's just awesome, and some of the landscape shots I've seen with it are really cool looking. Manual focus though, and not quite as fast as the other choices has it lower on my list unfortunately. My dream setup: this lens + Sony A7 Rii.

These days, if I'm traveling or out and about shooting, at minimum I'll have my travel kit in bag: 16-35 f/4, 50L, 100L. All three can do landscapes, but the zoom is the go-to for that work unless there is a particular point of interest that I'm trying to get in frame that a super wide won't emphasize. Shooting the 50L at f/1.2 for landscapes can give a nice change of pace creatively but it isn't something I'd do regularly haha


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Jan 04, 2016 12:36 |  #40

ejenner wrote in post #17843622 (external link)
A different league? I see the 50 better in the corner only and from looking at my copies I think this is only the case in the very extreme corner. Over the rest of the frame you can find places where the 24-105 is better. TDP just has 3 points which is a nice overview but does not let the whole story.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a huge 24-105 fan. I own one, use it a lot, but I definitely don't think it is a super-sharp lens. So I'm not surprised that there are 50mm prines that are noticeably better than the 24-105@50mm and I can see the point of having one for landscapes if you shoot that FL a lot, I just doubt the Canon 50 1.8 or 1.4's are going to actually be much better on average at f8+.

it's not a whole lot better, but the nifty stm(and 50 1.4 for that matter) is clearly better contrast and sharpness through the whole frame. It's like shooting a zeiss prime for landscapes, definitely not as practical as a zoom, but the stronger contrast and uniform sharpness makes your hard work just a little bit more special. When it comes down to stopped down performance among primes, the differences wont be very large, even with 1.2 vs 1.8 glass.

I love the double/triple duty a fast 50 provides. I can use it for incidental snapshots, high quality landscapes, and even street photos without being noticed. Even wide open, the nifty isnt very fast, but the images are pleasant for people shooting, and it absorbs a whole lot more light than an f4 lens.


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Jan 04, 2016 12:42 |  #41

I use a tokina 12-24mm for landscape. Its brilliant for that.


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Jan 05, 2016 09:22 |  #42

Congrats on your new 16-35, I'm sure you'll love it.

In the future, if you want one 50mm prime that does landscapes and "other" shooting very well, look no further than the Zeiss 50 F2 Makro Planar. Yes, it's manual focus but you get used to it very quickly and I've always liked it's rendering in any type of shooting. Check out the sample images on this forum for proof.


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Jan 10, 2016 08:17 |  #43

MatthewK wrote in post #17843733 (external link)
So you want a 50mm prime that does landscapes well, and can do double duty for indoor shots/portraits. These would be my choices:

Zeiss f/2 Makro-Planar - I really, really want to get this lens someday for creative work. It has a rendering to it that's just awesome, and some of the landscape shots I've seen with it are really cool looking. Manual focus though, and not quite as fast as the other choices has it lower on my list unfortunately. My dream setup: this lens + Sony A7 Rii.

Having had maybe 10 different 50mm lenses over the years, and many for EF (Canon 2- 50L, 2-1.4, Zeiss 50 1.4, 50MP, 50 Milvus, Rokkor 58 1.2), I settled on both the 50MP and 50L. No one 50 can do it all it seems. I sold the 50L after 2 copies and I just couldn't get focus right. My bad, but when it all worked, it was great. But so is the 50MP at ƒ2 and at that aperture, is much nicer IQ-wise than the L. I recently picked up the 50 1.4 Milvus with an entirely new design and it does all that I wanted the 50L for. I still can't sell the 50MP though. (Just like the 35 Art has a different use for me than the 35ƒ2IS.)

Here's the deal and my 2¢: I found the old 50 1.4 Zeiss horrible focused up close and wide open. Bokeh was jittery and distracting. I shoot my fast lenses up close where it's about only the equal of the Canon 50 1.4, but with much nicer manual focus. However, it was stellar when stopped down a few and at distance focusing with some fine acutance. If you are looking for a Zeiss 50 for landscapes and money is at all a concern, I think you'd love the older Classic 50 1.4, especially since the new Milvus has forced a big price drop. If you still want a 50MP, PM me.


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Jan 23, 2016 03:00 |  #44

I have too many 50s, I've picked up over the years.

Zeiss Contax 50 1.7, Zeiss Contax 50 1.4, and a Leica R Summicron 50 v2 and most recently the Canon 50 STM

As much as I love the Zeiss Contax 50s, they are just not getting any air time and I'll end up selling them on. I can't ever see myself selling the Cron, it's just too nice a piece of glass and renders beautifully. The new nifty STM is just a real winner, so both the STM and Summicron are in my bag. I shoot a Sony A7ii, using either MF or AF, depending on the day.

I posted elsewhere a very good review covering just how interesting the new nifty is, and for those who haven't seen it;

http://blogdozack.com.​br …anon-ef-50mm-f1-8-stm-en/ (external link)

It's well worth the read.




  
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Jan 24, 2016 13:14 |  #45

Seems to me that the out of focus results of the 50mm f/1,8 STM is a lot smoother than the Canon 50mm f/1.4. I just took this one from the front door of my house at f/1.8 to test the bokeh in this particular set of conditions and it seems pretty decent for a $125 lens


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