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Dec 14, 2015 10:49 |  #1

Looking for some lens advice. I'm starting to get more into event photography and enjoy being a second shooter at weddings. Right now I have a 24-105 f4 and a 100-400v1 to cover that focal range. I'm pretty happy with the setup. I also use an 85mm f1.8 and have a couple of Speedlites.

Eventually I would like to upgrade to f2.8 lenses: like the 24-70 II and the 70-200 II. My question is, if you had my setup, which lens would you upgrade first?

On one hand, I can see using flash a lot more often with a 24-70 instead of the 70-200, so being at f4 on the wide end isn't as much of a problem. Typically with portraits, I would want to be at f4 with the 24-70 to keep enough DoF anyway. That would point to buying a 70-200 first. On the other hand, I use the 24-70 focal length a lot more often in general (while traveling, with family, etc), so upgrading that first would benefit my photography a lot more overall.

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Dec 14, 2015 12:09 |  #2

I'd do 24-70 first. It's most wedding photographers main lens, and it focuses better for things like dances than F4 lenses. In practice there's very little difference in depth of field between F2.8 and F4, you'll probably be at either F2.8 or F8 unless you have a good reason to be in between.

You'll probably want a 16-35 or 17-40 type lens some time. Some weddings end up in small places, especially if there's bad weather, and when you need that lens you REALLY need the lens. Speed isn't that important, F4 is fine for that lens. If you haven't needed it yet I'd get the 70-200 F2.8 first.


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Dec 14, 2015 12:14 |  #3

Heya,

The benefit of F2.8 is using that sensitive crosspoint that will utilize F2.8, to focus in lower light, than it would at F4. It's useful. Even if you stop down, it still helps with focusing.

I'd do the 24-70 first. It's much, much more likely to be used in all your every day functions (not just work, but as you pointed out, home life and stuff). There's the lovely 24-70 MKII of course. And there's also the Tamron 24-70 F2.8 VC if you want to add stabilization to the mix, also a very nice lens. Depends on your budget and needs really. Same thing will apply when you start to shop a 70-200 F2.8L IS II, and a Tamro 70-200 F2.8 VC.

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Dec 14, 2015 12:16 |  #4

I've never had good luck with third party brands, focus accuracy isn't as good with others for me. I find Canon lenses work best on Canon cameras, Nikon lenses on Nikon cameras. If you get third party make sure you can return, and test it well before you shoot professionally with it.


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Dec 14, 2015 18:05 |  #5

We do a lot of weddings and have a lot of lens to use as needed. My kid who does a lot of the shooting swears by his 24-105 and loves it. You have that length covered if you wanted to go 24-70 first. I would go 70-200. Two photographers just hired us to photograph their weddings and both wanted their photographer to have the 70-200. That lens is just amazing. Again, if you did not have the 24-105, I would say go 24-70 but you have that covered. I know f2.8 versus 4.0 but you can make it work.

Just watched a video by Jerry Ghionis shooting a wedding and he was using the 70-200 for most of it including the get ready stuff and it was not a big house. The shots were amazing.


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Dec 15, 2015 10:29 |  #6

Get the 35mm f/2 IS and the 70-200mm f/2.8 II both from Canon's refurbished store.


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Dec 15, 2015 15:59 |  #7

I have the 24-70 f/4L IS, and I was tempted by someone selling the 2.8 Mark II for $1,500 locally. You guys are making me regret passing it up :oops:

Truth is I shoot my 50mm f/1.2L a lot and when I have my 24-70 f/4 on Im usually shooting it at 35mm. I've been tempted lately to sell the zoom and buy a 35mm f/1.4 (I) in its place. but that could potentially leave me without a midrange zoom.


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Dec 15, 2015 16:00 |  #8

tim wrote in post #17818605 (external link)
You'll probably want a 16-35 or 17-40 type lens some time. Some weddings end up in small places, especially if there's bad weather, and when you need that lens you REALLY need the lens. Speed isn't that important, F4 is fine for that lens. If you haven't needed it yet I'd get the 70-200 F2.8 first.

Tim, can you post up some photos you've shot at these focal lengths? I have a 16-35 and I rarely shoot it at weddings. Its my least used lens but I bring it every time. :rolleyes:


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Dec 15, 2015 16:54 |  #9

Silver-Halide wrote in post #17820155 (external link)
Tim, can you post up some photos you've shot at these focal lengths? I have a 16-35 and I rarely shoot it at weddings. Its my least used lens but I bring it every time. :rolleyes:

I can link to some (no exif in them sorry):
- In Amber & Dan (external link) I used 16-35 for the ceremony shot (chairs were close to the couple), probably the group shot in front of the white house, definitely the group shot among greenery (small space), the shot looking down on the wedding party on grass.
- A this portrait session (external link) it was used for the shots in front of the cool trees (3/4) and also #6
- Alex and Alex #4 (boys group), #14/#19/#20/#21/#22 (wedding party in church), shot in the parking building, the shot in front of the old building, and the wedding party indoors in front of the wood paneling.

Also almost every shot on my website that shows the whole wedding party in a church, anything that looks even vaguely wide or shot in a tight space. We don't have as many huge grand buildings in NZ as in most countries, we're a much younger and more practical country.


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Dec 15, 2015 16:57 |  #10

Cool thanks I'll look at them later.

I think you guys are better off. It seems as though we (USA) have abandoned the religious house of worship as a place to get married in :-( I've assisted or lead about a dozen since starting this past spring, and not a single one has been at a church/synagogue/etc -?


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Dec 15, 2015 16:59 |  #11

Silver-Halide wrote in post #17820235 (external link)
Cool thanks I'll look at them later.

I think you guys are better off. It seems as though we (USA) have abandoned the religious house of worship as a place to get married in :-( I've assisted or lead about a dozen since starting this past spring, and not a single one has been at a church/synagogue/etc -?

NZ isn't very religious. I'd say 30-40% of my weddings are in churches, most of them just because they're pretty buildings. I got married in a deconsecrated church, I'm not religious.


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Dec 15, 2015 23:18 |  #12

Tim would your recommend the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM? or will the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM Lens be just fine? There is about $700 difference between the two.




  
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Dec 15, 2015 23:29 |  #13

If you are doing a wedding all day with a large lens like the 70-200 f2.8 then the $700 for the IS is absolutely worth it IMHO.


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Dec 16, 2015 02:18 |  #14

pgb2ad54 wrote in post #17820628 (external link)
Tim would your recommend the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM? or will the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM Lens be just fine? There is about $700 difference between the two.

I wouldn't have a 70-200 without IS. At 200mm I guess any lens without IS is difficult to hand hold. That $700 gets you sharp images. Yes you should probably use fast shutter speeds, but sometimes at ceremonies in dark churches I could be at 200mm 1/30th ISO3200.


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Dec 16, 2015 12:36 |  #15

Thanks for the feedback. Looks like the responses are pretty closely split, with maybe a slight leaning toward the 70-200. I probably should check in Lightroom which focal lengths I use when in the 70-200 range. I have an 85mm that I could put on a crop camera and that would put me somewhere in the middle with a wide aperture (but no IS). Usually I would use the 85 on a FF during the reception, but I suppose it could work on a crop for the ceremony.

Definitely a lot to think about here. Eventually I would also like to grab a wide angle lens (nice examples of its usage, Tim), but I think that will probably wait until I have good coverage from 24-200.


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