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Help choosing lens: Canon 10-18 mm or Samyang f2 12mm?

 
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Dec 20, 2015 17:52 |  #1

Hey guys,

I have a Canon EOS 60D and am thinking of buying a new wide angle lens. I'm a student, so I'm on a budget. My photography is mostly based on landscapes, architectural shots and street shots. My flickr and instagram accounts are as follows, if you would like to have a look at the type of photography I am into:

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The Canon 10-18 mm lens has come to my attention, since it seems just wide enough without getting too distorted around the edges, and very reasonably priced at £180. I have seen a couple of reviews online, all of which have been positive.

On the other hand, the Samyang F/2 12 mm lens has also gotten my attention as it has the added advantage of a lower depth of field but is MF only. However, this is EF, whereas the Canon 10-18 mm is EF-S. It's priced slightly higher at £250.

So, which would you advise me to get?

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Dec 20, 2015 18:00 |  #2

The Canon has IS, AF, and a useful zoom range - none of which the Samyang has. You (probably) don't need f2 and, if you do, consider whether the IS will compensate for the slower lens. My guess is the the Canon will serve you better.

Now, if you can swing it, I would also suggest you look at the 10-22 EF-S. It's a better lens overall (slightly) with a better zoom range but no IS. You can buy one for about $400 USD.

BTW, EF or EF-S makes no difference on your 60D. It will work well with either mount.


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Dec 20, 2015 18:01 |  #3

Heya,

Get the 10-18 STM or a used 10-22 USM. For what you do, you're stopping down, and they're great lenses.

The 12mm F2 is for someone who wants to shoot the nightsky at F2 or F2.8. If you're not doing long exposure at wide aperture, you would probably just benefit from a zoom.

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Dec 20, 2015 19:17 |  #4

the 12mm f2 is for EF-M mount...so it should help narrow your decision :)


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Dec 20, 2015 20:31 |  #5

DreDaze wrote in post #17826373 (external link)
the 12mm f2 is for EF-M mount...so it should help narrow your decision :)

We can't make it that simple so let's re-complicate.

Samyang/Rokinon also makes:
8/3.5 fisheye for crop
10/2.8 for crop
12/2.8 fisheye for crop and FF
14/2.8 for crop and FF
16/2 for crop


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Dec 20, 2015 23:39 |  #6

FEChariot wrote in post #17826442 (external link)
We can't make it that simple so let's re-complicate.

Samyang/Rokinon also makes:
8/3.5 fisheye for crop
10/2.8 for crop
12/2.8 fisheye for crop and FF
14/2.8 for crop and FF
16/2 for crop

Let us not forget the Canon offerings, and the Σ15mm f/2.8 FE.




  
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Dec 21, 2015 01:19 |  #7

Hello.

I just bought the ef-s 10-18 as an economical wide angle solution for my 7Dii.
Whilst it's a whole heap of fun to use I would not say the image quality is quite as good as the reviews I read suggest.

I have found the lens produces quite low contrast images and the colour saturation is a touch weak.
The image sharpness also leaves a bit to be desired.

Admittedly the fore mentioned can be adjusted in post and I am comparing it to pro grade lenses.

It is also possible my copy is a Friday afternoon job.

As for the Samyang I cannot comment as I have no experience with it.


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Dec 21, 2015 04:13 |  #8

I've had the efs 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 lens for about 6 weeks. I use it on a 70D.

Things I like about it:
Optically excellent. Low distortion. Good across the frame.
Extremely sharp wide open. A tad better stopped down.
Fast, accurate autofocus.
STM (for video & LV)
IS
Small
Lightweight
Focuses very close - about 2" from front element. Essential in UWA.
Cost

Things I don't like about it:
Very slow (aperture) lens.
Vignettes significantly at 10mm & f/4.5. Correctable, though.
More flare-prone than the 10-22. (hoods on both)

The likes on this lens far outweigh the don't likes. The don't likes are all engineering compromises made to keep the cost and weight down. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the images this lens provides. Links to reviews:

http://www.photozone.d​e …eos/874-canon_1018_4556is (external link)
http://www.the-digital-picture.com …-4.5-5.6-IS-STM-Lens.aspx (external link)
http://www.lenstip.com …5-5.6_IS_STM_Summary.htm​l (external link)
http://www.fredmiranda​.com …/612/sort/7/cat​/27/page/2 (external link)

Seems almost everyone thinks very highly of this lens. Not that it matters, but I agree.

I also own the Rokinon (Samyang) 12mm f/2.8 FE. Buying this lens for a crop camera seems a bit odd.




  
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Dec 21, 2015 14:31 |  #9

In a situation where I am likely to be shooting with the lens stopped down around f/8 to f/11to maximise DoF then I am going to want to be using a lens with an automatic diaphragm. I'm not a lover of LV so I am more likely to use the OVF, and down at those f stops the VF can get very dark indeed. I tried a 10-18 STM out in store a week or two ago, and liked it a lot. Most of my plans for the lens at the moment involve hand held shots with exaggerated perspective. or situations where getting further back to fit the subject in is not possible, and tripods are banned too. aviation museums can be really difficult like that. Although the IS and being a wheelchair user can also be convenient, you can get quite steady using the elbows on the arms of the chair as a support.

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Dec 21, 2015 15:57 |  #10

BigAl007 wrote in post #17827334 (external link)
I'm not a lover of LV so I am more likely to use the OVF, and down at those f stops the VF can get very dark indeed. Alan

Not to change the subject, but until a few months ago I would have agreed with you about LV. And there is nothing that looks more silly to me than someone trying to use LV handheld. But, with my 7DII, I have learned that, when on a tripod, using LV is very akin to using a view camera (without the upside down / reversed view) and provides a very useful set of information that is not always available in the VF. In addition, the mirror is already locked up when in LV, so remote release is very effective.

Finally, when I shoot real estate, I use a 7 shot (auto)bracket and map all the VF information to my phone which is an extension of LV with added remote controls, touch focus, and a larger, better viewing screen. The phone is mounted to a clip on the tripod center column. With this set-up I can work much faster and more precisely than with the VF.

Just a few thoughts. Depending on the LV capabilities of you camera and the nature of your work, it might be an advantage to take a bit of time to learn LV. It can be useful.


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Dec 22, 2015 10:12 as a reply to  @ rgs's post |  #11

I only have a 50D, and the one time I tried using LV in the studio was a complete fail. I don't know about other Canon bodies, but with the 50D it would not trigger the manual only studio flash system. I couldn't use the basic hotshoe mounted RF trigger, or even the PC socket directly. I thought it was going to be really good for my product photography work. In the studio you also don't normally have the worry about seeing the LV image on screen because the sun's too bright.

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Dec 22, 2015 10:16 |  #12

I never used LV much on my 50D. I think it is a bit more basic than what is available on newer bodies.


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Dec 22, 2015 10:36 |  #13

Taqbir wrote in post #17826291 (external link)
Hey guys, ...
The Canon 10-18 mm lens has come to my attention, since it seems just wide enough without getting too distorted around the edges, ...

On the other hand, the Samyang F/2 12 mm lens has also gotten my attention as it has the added advantage of a lower depth of field but is MF only. However, this is EF, whereas the Canon 10-18 mm is EF-S.

So, which would you advise me to get?

That's not a choice! That's nonsense. Get the Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM Lens.


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Dec 22, 2015 15:18 |  #14

fordmondeo wrote in post #17826640 (external link)
Hello.

I just bought the ef-s 10-18 as an economical wide angle solution for my 7Dii.
Whilst it's a whole heap of fun to use I would not say the image quality is quite as good as the reviews I read suggest.

I have found the lens produces quite low contrast images and the colour saturation is a touch weak.
The image sharpness also leaves a bit to be desired.

Admittedly the fore mentioned can be adjusted in post and I am comparing it to pro grade lenses.

It is also possible my copy is a Friday afternoon job.

As for the Samyang I cannot comment as I have no experience with it.

I tried the 10-18 and my experience exactly matches yours. While reasonable sharp (except at the wide end in the corners), the look was often a bit too "washed out" for my taste. I sent mine back. I have no experience with the Samyang 12mm f/2, either. But I use the Rokinon 12mm f/2.8 now on occasion when I need a wide angle on crop. While it is a full frame fish eye lens, I found it works great on crop as well. When I don't need the fisheye distortion, I simply do the lens correction in LR and it's gone. And the images are colorful and have a "pop".


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Dec 22, 2015 15:52 |  #15

ebiggs wrote in post #17828431 (external link)
That's not a choice! That's nonsense. Get the Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM Lens.

It certainly is nonsense. The Samyang 12mm f/2 lens won't even mount on a Canon apsc camera.




  
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