Full-frame for low-light - 6D or D750?

I think that was iso 1600 at F4 and 300 of a second. They had good lighting at that event many of them are super dark and i am shooting at iso 5000 a lot of times.

DigitalEd wrote in post #17833642
I think that was iso 1600 at F4 and 300 of a second. They had good lighting at that event many of them are super dark and i am shooting at iso 5000 a lot of times.

Can you post one of these images?

rfe777 wrote in post #17833287
I rarely print, only viewing my images on my PC and online. However, what does concern me is the tonal range of the 12 megapixel sensor, which MAKES a difference between this one and a 20 or 24 megapixel one.

The demands on a web / monitor viewed image are so minimal, it seems like you are over-thinking this. When viewing anything online, you are compressing the hell out of the image file. For sure the number of pixels on the sensor doesn't matter. A 6 MP camera would be plenty. Second, instead of trying to get a camera that looks great for noise when viewed at 1:1, why not just apply some heavy NR? Relative to a web-sized image view, NR will not destroy any visible detail. And finally, I'd not bother getting the expense and compromises of a FF camera when you are only shooting for the web.

Pick the highest performance crop camera that you like for ergonomics, use NR, and shoot. Web / monitor images are so un-demanding that you should have no problem getting excellent pictures. You seem to be shopping for an F1 racer to drive around the block. Heck, I have some images that are out of focus and won't make a decent print, but that look fine on a monitor.

Do you have or plan to get fast glass? What ISOs do you need? If you are OK with 3200, crop cameras can do this with little effort, and they can give good results with some post processing at higher ISOs.

If you want to shoot at night, outside, a 6D will do amazing low light shooting. If I weren't so happy with mine, I might be tempted to wait for the 6DII, which is likely to have faster AF.
I can't speak to the D750, but the 6D has amazed me at ISOs as high as 16,000 and even higher. AF is satisfactory, if you are OK with center point focus.

Results from the 6D at 16000 are way better than I have seen from a T2i at 6400. The apparent noise level at 16,000 was zilch.

JeffreyG wrote in post #17833862
The demands on a web / monitor viewed image are so minimal, it seems like you are over-thinking this. When viewing anything online, you are compressing the hell out of the image file. For sure the number of pixels on the sensor doesn't matter. A 6 MP camera would be plenty. Second, instead of trying to get a camera that looks great for noise when viewed at 1:1, why not just apply some heavy NR? Relative to a web-sized image view, NR will not destroy any visible detail. And finally, I'd not bother getting the expense and compromises of a FF camera when you are only shooting for the web.

Pick the highest performance crop camera that you like for ergonomics, use NR, and shoot. Web / monitor images are so un-demanding that you should have no problem getting excellent pictures. You seem to be shopping for an F1 racer to drive around the block. Heck, I have some images that are out of focus and won't make a decent print, but that look fine on a monitor.

To tell the truth, I have considered the Nikon D7200 before, but decided that in this size & weight category I'll only be using a full-frame camera. And, its grip seems even narrower than the one on the D750.

artyH wrote in post #17833946
Do you have or plan to get fast glass? What ISOs do you need? If you are OK with 3200, crop cameras can do this with little effort, and they can give good results with some post processing at higher ISOs.

If you want to shoot at night, outside, a 6D will do amazing low light shooting. If I weren't so happy with mine, I might be tempted to wait for the 6DII, which is likely to have faster AF.
I can't speak to the D750, but the 6D has amazed me at ISOs as high as 16,000 and even higher. AF is satisfactory, if you are OK with center point focus.

Results from the 6D at 16000 are way better than I have seen from a T2i at 6400. The apparent noise level at 16,000 was zilch.

The thing is, I've got spoiled by the tilt-screen on my A6000, and know that I won't be able to take certain shoots without it. If only the 6D had one it would've solved all my problems...

However, I do plan to "weld" a fast prime (f 1.8-2) lens to the camera, around 20-35mm. Nikon has the 35 f/1.8 and the 20 f/1.8, but they're not stabilized. Canon has the 35 f/2 which is stabilized. I would like IS/VR because it's important for shooting on low light conditions.

rfe777 wrote in post #17833964
The thing is, I've got spoiled by the tilt-screen on my A6000, and know that I won't be able to take certain shoots without it. If only the 6D had one it would've solved all my problems...

It does... WIFI and smart phone.

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #17834046
It does... WIFI and smart phone.

What FarmerTed said. Sure, might not be as convenient as a tilting screen, but once set, much more functional.

rfe777 wrote in post #17833964
a fast prime (f 1.8-2) lens to the camera, around 20-35mm. Nikon has the 35 f/1.8 and the 20 f/1.8, but they're not stabilized. Canon has the 35 f/2 which is stabilized. I would like IS/VR because it's important for shooting on low light conditions.

with FF, shooting on WA lensens, stabilization it's not so important.

normally you can shoot at 1/20 without issues, or even 1/10 with firm hold

(there are countless tutorials on YT with people showing the best ways for holding cameras)

i mean, if u are shooting on a modern fullframe @ f2.0, 12800 iso, u should have no problem..

or you mean shooting in total darkness maybe

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #17834046
It does... WIFI and smart phone.

WIFI and smartphone are not important for me, only tilt-screen.

And BTW, does the 6D support all the new, modern, ultra-fast SD cards (85-90 mb/s and above, class 10)?

rfe777 wrote in post #17834162
WIFI and smartphone are not important for me, only tilt-screen.

The point is, you can watch the live view on your smartphone, negating the need for a tilting screen.

JeffreyG wrote in post #17834167
The point is, you can watch the live view on your smartphone, negating the need for a tilting screen.

I don't want to use two devices simultaneously in order to shoot images, just one

Wow, ok......

eddieb1 wrote in post #17834346
Wow, ok......

huh?