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Jan 06, 2016 14:41 |  #16

Heya,

Do not sell your 135L & 85 F1.8.

Just buy the 85L II used. Use it for a month. If you find you can only keep one lens and the 85L is the one you want to keep for what you do, then sell the rest after you've really concluded that. But only sell your other lenses after you've spent time with the 85L. Not before. Don't sell stuff just to buy that lens. That you will likely regret. Do it the other way around. Buy first, sell after.

If you find the 85L isn't really what you thought it was going to be in every situation, then sell it. Virtually no loss. Just a deposit to rent it for a month or two basically. And put your 135L back on your camera and get back to it.

The 85L is a great lens for what it's good for, but it's not for everything. It's heavy, slow to focus, can miss focus depending on what camera you're using and what focus point, etc. You can get away with lower shutter speeds hand holding than with longer lenses, which is why 85's in general are really great. It gives you closer working room. It gets more light if you need it, but don't just park it at F1.2 and think that's all it does, it's still very special even at F1.4, F1.8 and F2 or even F2.8. Every time I see a photo with a headshot of someone with the 85L at F1.2 where the eyes are in focus, but the nose and other facial features are out of focus, I just sigh, as that's not a "good portrait" to me. But, to each their own.

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Jan 06, 2016 14:48 |  #17

MalVeauX wrote in post #17847205 (external link)
Heya,

Do not sell your 135L & 85 F1.8.

Just buy the 85L II used. Use it for a month. If you find you can only keep one lens and the 85L is the one you want to keep for what you do, then sell the rest after you've really concluded that. But only sell your other lenses after you've spent time with the 85L. Not before. Don't sell stuff just to buy that lens. That you will likely regret. Do it the other way around. Buy first, sell after.

If you find the 85L isn't really what you thought it was going to be in every situation, then sell it. Virtually no loss. Just a deposit to rent it for a month or two basically. And put your 135L back on your camera and get back to it.


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I like this method better. Do this if the wife ok's it.


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Jan 06, 2016 14:48 |  #18

Mike_311, your pictures are very nice and I think you could well use this lens along WITH 135/2. Some of them look like taken with 85/1.2.
I had 85/1.8 (nice lens) which I changed into 100/2 (even better). Later I bought 135/2 but was missing 85mm, so I got 1.2 II version.
I do not have the 85/1.2 for long time but IMO:
1. sharpness wide open - 135 wins
2. AF speed - 135 wins. This should not be an issue if your models cooperate with you.
3. CA - 135 wins
4. bokeh - 135 wins
5. ergonomic/handle - 135 wins. 85 is very heavy and short.

The pictures from both is quite similar, both lenses are magical and both of some reason belong to Holly Trinity. However there is also a reason why 135/2 is called quin of red wings.
I do not have 2 same pictures to show the differences, but these are quite similar:

135@f2

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Jan 06, 2016 14:54 |  #19

I bought a near mint 85LII a few months ago for $1425 and it has become my favorite lens. Be cautious about buying an original 85L because Canon has discontinued service on this lens but local shops will continue till parts run out.


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Jan 06, 2016 14:59 |  #20

MalVeauX wrote in post #17847205 (external link)
Heya,

Do not sell your 135L & 85 F1.8.

Just buy the 85L II used. Use it for a month. If you find you can only keep one lens and the 85L is the one you want to keep for what you do, then sell the rest after you've really concluded that. But only sell your other lenses after you've spent time with the 85L. Not before. Don't sell stuff just to buy that lens. That you will likely regret. Do it the other way around. Buy first, sell after.


Very best,

i always do this, usually i forget to sell what intended to. wife has yet to catch on. I may be pushing it with this purchase though. :P


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Jan 06, 2016 15:09 |  #21

I drooled over the the 85 1.2 for years. Had a chance to borrow it during a wedding and for me I'm glad I didn't waste the money. Way too heavy and focusing took forever. I used it for about 3 hours before I stopped using it. It made some nice images but that lens would never get used by me. The 135L on the other hand gets used a ton.




  
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Jan 06, 2016 15:58 |  #22

I wouldnt sell either lens and get the 85 1.2.

the 85 1.8 cost is marginal, you wont get much for it.

the 135 2 is a different animal. It's fast and the fov compliments the 85L and doesnt replace it. When you try to replace it, you will start to regret it. 85 works well when limited on space, 135 works better with wider spaces. This does not change when upgrading 85's. If the 135 is a winning formula, dont break it.


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Jan 07, 2016 05:10 |  #23

Nice looking used 85L II for sale: https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1449690. Just thought I'd assist in the search :)


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Jan 07, 2016 05:18 |  #24

mkkaczy wrote in post #17847216 (external link)
The pictures from both is quite similar, both lenses are magical and both of some reason belong to Holly Trinity. However there is also a reason why 135/2 is called quin of red wings.
I do not have 2 same pictures to show the differences, but these are quite similar:

135@f2


85@f1.2

Heya,

This is a good example to me actually. I prefer the depth of field of the 135L here. Both are very similarly framed, and produce very similar out of focus area rendering, very pleasing. But the 135L has more depth of field and to me honestly looks more appropriate. The 85L image just doesn't have enough depth of field, at least not for this photo, to me. I would like to see the 85 at F1.4 or F1.8 in the same situation. But then again, the moment that happens, it just means to me that the 85L isn't the lens to use. When I shoot 85mm, I either do F1.4 for full body, or F2 and F2.8 for closer shots, and stop down much more for headshots. The 135L at F2 has the right depth of field even for a bust shot, let alone full body. That focal length puts you at a very nice distance to use F2. To me, the 135L is the better lens for this. Your images show what's possible with the F1.2, having too little depth of field, and it looking odd. But it just goes back into line with my previous sentiment about headshots with the 85L having a nose out of focus, mouth out of focus, only eyes in focus, looking completely silly to me.

I mostly shoot an 85mm F1.4, a 90mm F2.8 and 200mm F2.8 for portrait (full body, bust, headshot). These days I actually favor the depth of field of the F2.8 lenses there. But I like the body to be in focus, and the out of focus area to be out of focus, with a lot less transition between the two, happening on the subject in places you don't want it (like their face).

Nice examples!

I definitely like the 135L better in this presentation.

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Here's a visual aid that is interesting:

Comparison of "how much blur" between an 85 1.2, 85 1.4, 135 F2, 200 F2.8 (external link)

At a scale of 2 meters to 9 meters, which would be appropriate for head shots to full body environmental shots, it shows them in a pretty simple order. The 85 1.2 blurs more. Then the 85 1.4. Then the 135 F2. Then the 200 F2.8.

Interesting to me as I shoot with an 85 F1.4 and 200 F2.8 often. My 90 F2.8 fills between the two. When using lighting, I prefer my 90 F2.8 or 200 F2.8, I get more depth of field on the subject and F2.8 is an easier value to work with and lighting outside. I use my 85 F1.4 mostly for natural light only.

So the 135L really sits between a 85 F1.4 and 200 F2.8 funny enough.

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Jan 08, 2016 15:14 |  #25

For your portrait work the 85Lmk2 will work well. If your typically shooting f/2 I'd just stick with your current super fast focusing Canon f/1.8 prime.

If your hand is steady and your consistency high using the 135L I'd stick with it. Your probably getting a tad more compression in the photo so you get this 3d pop at f/2 wideopen.

The 85L is a pig for AF speed. I've had my 85L sitting in my cabinet all lonely and no where to go. I'd rather use my 70-200 f/2.8IS mk2 getting compression at 200mm blowing out the background into cream (when I want to). Mind you I'm more into events so no luxury for time.

I'm not a sigma fan but you can possibly experiment with their 85mm 1.4 prime. Just pay attention to any focus issues.

The 85L is just as prone to purple fringing as the 85 f/1.8. Easy for me to say but I'd keep your current setup and put the money you'd spend on an 85L into a secondary body for redundancy or a wide angle prime.

I really don't think it's worth jumping to an 85L. I had to make a tough choice in leaning out my 85mm prime range. I regretfully sold my canon 85 f/1.8 and kept my pig 85Lmk2. I cannot trust the 85L for event work because of the slow AF.


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Jan 11, 2016 22:52 |  #26

I love the 85mm f1.2L. The 135mm f2 is a great lens too, but sometimes it's too long and a little too slow. The extra stop and shorter focal length of the 85mm can result in a sharper photo particularly when doing existing light portraits without a tripod (which is primarily what I do).

The 85mm f1.2 is amazingly sharp wide open, plus the bokeh and color rendition are world class.

Also, I often focus manually (with the EGs focusing screen) because I find that the peripheral focus points on the 6D are not super reliable, and in that case this lens is as quick to focus as any other. Even when using autofocus I don't find the speed a hinderance.

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Jan 11, 2016 23:10 |  #27

No, you shouldn't. The 85L is a great lens for capturing thin DOF on large (relative to sensor size) subjects. If you shoot with it at normal 85mm gocal length distances you will negatively impact your images from an overly narrow DOF.




  
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Jan 11, 2016 23:30 |  #28

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No, you shouldn't. The 85L is a great lens for capturing thin DOF on large (relative to sensor size) subjects. If you shoot with it at normal 85mm gocal length distances you will negatively impact your images from an overly narrow DOF.

What is "normal" 85mm focal length distances? If you need the extra DOF, it is possible to shoot it stopped down. It isn't possible however, to shoot a 135mm at 85mm.


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Jan 11, 2016 23:56 |  #29

It's also not possible to shoot an 85 lens at 135mm


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Jan 12, 2016 00:29 |  #30

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"its my signature lens, no lens I use has ever wowed me on a regular basis like this one does."

After such a glowing endorsement, you want to get rid of it?

You'll regret it.

Keep the 135L. Sell 85 f1.8. Save up for used/refurb 85L II. You can also do what I do, and scour your house/garage for anything sellable, and sell that to raise more funds.

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I sold my 135L and finally re-purchased after 5 years of regret. I've never regretted the repurchase.

Besides, you'd get about $700 after shipping & paypal. That's about the difference between New and Used 85 f1.2 isn't it? I'd rather bide my time and find a perfect Used purchase than sell the 135L just so I could be lazy.

Besides; buying the 85 f1.2 used will mean less depreciation so you could inform your wife how it's really a $300 5 year rental unlike her Mall shopping items. :-P


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