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Jan 08, 2016 16:29 |  #1

Hi all. Looking to upgrade to FF. I have researched it and is has come down to the 5d3 or 5d2. So, I am sure everyone is waiting anxiously (?) for the 5d4 to make its "grand appearance". However I realize that both cameras are great, but I can buy the 2 cheaper and take the extra money and put it toward a lens or trip/photo seminar. So, what are the advantages of the 3 over the 2? Does the 2 have dual card slots (I currently am using a 1d3 and love the two card slots), and from what I have read it seems the 3 has better AF capability(?). Any suggestions you can give will be appreciated.

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Jan 08, 2016 16:33 |  #2

The 5DII only has a single card slot. The III has dual slots and a significantly improved focusing system with more and widely spread focus points. The 3 also has a higher frame rate. You can compare the 2 bodies at www.dpreview.com (external link).




  
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Jan 08, 2016 16:56 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #3

ok the AF thing I think I kind of knew, since I had looked at the 6d and nixed it due to only 9 AF points. Will look at DP website.

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Jan 08, 2016 16:59 |  #4

You should be comparing 5D3 and 6D.

6D pretty much beats the much older 5D2 in all aspects, including AF.


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Jan 08, 2016 17:01 as a reply to  @ dmead516's post |  #5

the 5DII has 9 focus points, the 6D has 11...as you said, everyone is waiting on a 5DIV, which would bring down the price of the 5DIII...the question is, do you want to wait for some unknown camera to come out...


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Jan 08, 2016 17:17 |  #6

The 5DIV will be $3,400+. A refurbed 5DIII is about $2,000. That matters to me. I agree with Jake about the 6D vs the 5DII. Used 5DII bodies are overpriced at the $800-$900 they are going for, IMHO.

I used to have a 5Dc. The 5DII has the same AF-system. It sucks. On both of them. My 60D's AF was more capable. If you are EVER going to shoot stuff that moves, pass on the 5DII.




  
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Jan 08, 2016 17:24 as a reply to  @ Bassat's post |  #7

I have the 1D3, at 10fps for shooting moving things. Also, since this is a "want" rather than a "need", then I can wait a little longer and see what the future holds. I did look at the 6d, and was not excited about 11 af points vs 45 for the 5d3 and the single card slot. I did see some II's going for over 1200 on ebay, so that does bring them into the "way overpriced" category!


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Jan 08, 2016 17:30 |  #8

dmead516 wrote in post #17850314 (external link)
I have the 1D3, at 10fps for shooting moving things. Also, since this is a "want" rather than a "need", then I can wait a little longer and see what the future holds. I did look at the 6d, and was not excited about 11 af points vs 45 for the 5d3 and the single card slot. I did see some II's going for over 1200 on ebay, so that does bring them into the "way overpriced" category!

Plenty of 5DIIs with grip in the $900 range on the forum here.




  
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Jan 08, 2016 17:32 |  #9

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the 5DII has 9 focus points, the 6D has 11...as you said, everyone is waiting on a 5DIV, which would bring down the price of the 5DIII...the question is, do you want to wait for some unknown camera to come out...

Actually, the 5DII has 15 focus points. 9 are selectable.


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Jan 08, 2016 17:41 |  #10

dmead516 wrote in post #17850314 (external link)
I have the 1D3, at 10fps for shooting moving things. Also, since this is a "want" rather than a "need", then I can wait a little longer and see what the future holds. I did look at the 6d, and was not excited about 11 af points vs 45 for the 5d3 and the single card slot. I did see some II's going for over 1200 on ebay, so that does bring them into the "way overpriced" category!

Between reading and typing I completely forgot you have a 1D3. In that case, a 5DII would suit your needs for a new toy. With refurbed 6Ds going for $999, there is no way I'd pay more than $500-600 for a 5DII. That is me, though. I've got 20,000+ shots on my 6D in two years. Good things about it:
AF is killer responsive. Shutter lag is essentially non-existent. High ISO is very clean; 25600 doesn't scare me with this body. I have mated my 6D to about 15 different lenses of all brands (Canon, Tokina, Tamron, Sigma) and levels; the 6D AF is dead-on with all of them. This camera can focus in the dark.

Stuff I don't care for about the 6D: AI-Servo performance is below my (limited) skill level. My new(er) 70D does a lot better with AI-Servo. Your 1D3 should suffice for your AI-Servo needs. 1/180 sync speed is a minor annoyance. The shutter speed limit of 1/4000 gets in the way when shooting f/1.n primes. ISO 50 is available. It works. ND filters are expensive. Could use a C3, or the ability to store Cn settings on the card. And the universal Canon complaint: Why can't I store several Custom WB settings? Not sure if any bodies do those last two.




  
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Jan 08, 2016 17:42 |  #11

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Actually, the 5DII has 15 focus points. 9 are selectable.

And ONE of them actually works.




  
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Jan 08, 2016 17:43 |  #12

I'd still get a used or refurb 6D over 5D2 for about the same price.

1D3 does not alter that.

5D2 does not offer the OP what he likes about 5D3 regardless of it also having a "5" in the name.


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Jan 09, 2016 13:14 |  #13

5D Mk III all the way. Not even a choice. BTW, the 6D is not a 5D Mk III.


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Jan 09, 2016 13:21 |  #14

Folks look at the low noise characteristics of the 6D and swoon over it, rightfully. They overlook that fact that Canon has deliberately crippled the 6D so it is actually aimed at the 'entry level FF sensor for the amateur market', while the 5Dnn is the 'entry level FF sensor for the prosumer/professional'​...which is why its X-synch is deliberately throttled back to 1/160 rather than 1/200, and why the shutter peaks at 1/4000 rather than 1/8000. There are also some User Interface aspects of the 6D which make it somewhat analogous to the nnnD user interface, but most folks overlook that, too.

I don't mean to bad mouth an excellent camera, but simply point out it is positioned by Canon with certain product characteristics that, Canon believes, make it somewhat less desireable for the prosumer/pro, so that they opt instead to buy up to the 5Dnn or 1Dnn.


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Jan 09, 2016 13:47 |  #15

Wilt wrote in post #17851276 (external link)
Folks look at the low noise characteristics of the 6D and swoon over it, rightfully. They overlook that fact that Canon has deliberately crippled the 6D so it is actually aimed at the 'entry level FF sensor for the amateur market', while the 5Dnn is the 'entry level FF sensor for the prosumer/professional'​...which is why its X-synch is deliberately throttled back to 1/160 rather than 1/200, and why the shutter peaks at 1/4000 rather than 1/8000. There are also some User Interface aspects of the 6D which make it somewhat analogous to the nnnD user interface, but most folks overlook that, too.

I don't mean to bad mouth an excellent camera, but simply point out it is positioned by Canon with certain product characteristics that, Canon believes, make it somewhat less desireable for the prosumer/pro, so that they opt instead to buy up to the 5Dnn or 1Dnn.

Minor point: sync on the 6D is 1/180. Admittedly, still dumb, but most likely done to provide the nearly silent 'quiet' shutter mode.

I've had my 6D for just over 2 years. I've since purchased a 70D for its superior (to the 6D) AI-servo ability. I really don't need the 'reach' factor of 1.6x. I honestly believe I should have just started with the 5DIII as an upgrade from my previous 60D/5Dc arrangement. The money scared me. I ended up spending it anyway. Someone around here says, "Buy once, cry once." Good advice.




  
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