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50 1.8 vs 50 1.4 vs 50 1.2 L

 
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Jan 20, 2016 01:13 |  #31

Here is the Canon 50L at f1.2

Note the pink license plate behind the rear tire on the right.
There is some 'overcorrection' on the left side of the plate when using the pink CA removal slider in Lightroom.
The pink bicycle on the right of the frame is unaffected. Only a tiny amount of that plate matched the CA removals algorithm.
Anything less and I still had noticeable CA around the subjects plate.
I could go back and reprocess the original raw file, but I'm not too picky either.

As others have stated, applying the CA slider to the whole image can have adverse affects on everything that color in your image.
If you want to see it in action upload a google image of a pink flower and try out the slides yourself.
It clearly shows you how even a little 'correction' can wash out for whole image.


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Jan 20, 2016 06:41 |  #32

InfiniteDivide wrote in post #17865451 (external link)
Here is the Canon 50L at f1.2

Note the pink license plate behind the rear tire on the right.
There is some 'overcorrection' on the left side of the plate when using the pink CA removal slider in Lightroom.
The pink bicycle on the right of the frame is unaffected. Only a tiny amount of that plate matched the CA removals algorithm.
Anything less and I still had noticeable CA around the subjects plate.
I could go back and reprocess the original raw file, but I'm not too picky either.

As others have stated, applying the CA slider to the whole image can have adverse affects on everything that color in your image.
If you want to see it in action upload a google image of a pink flower and try out the slides yourself.
It clearly shows you how even a little 'correction' can wash out for whole image.


Besides what you already mentioned, this just goes to show that even the greatest lenses suffer from CA. Just something to watch out for.


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Jan 20, 2016 07:35 as a reply to  @ BlakeC's post |  #33

Yeah, most fast primes fringe, even the well regarded ones. I have the 24L II, 50L and 85L II and all are prone to fringe with high contrast.

People rave about the 85L, but it's actually the worst of those three for fringe, with the 24L a close second worst. Whatever the faults, the 50L is a bit better than those two.


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Jan 20, 2016 08:17 |  #34

Interesting the 85L also has a significant amount of CA. Must be something about the 85mm focal length that Canon hasn't figured out yet.


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Jan 20, 2016 08:18 |  #35

mikepj wrote in post #17865639 (external link)
Interesting the 85L also has a significant amount of CA. Must be something about the 85mm focal length that Canon hasn't figured out yet.

that or shooting it wide open. Stopping down usually helps.


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Jan 20, 2016 08:42 as a reply to  @ post 17864307 |  #36

The Sigma Art 50 and Zeiss Milvus 50 1.4 are both superior to the L. Even the 58 MC Rokkor is nicer than the 50L. So is the Zeiss 50 Makro if you can live with f2. I only have 1 good word for the 50L— bokeh wide open. Others love it for more, including sex appeal, but I'm over it.

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Jan 20, 2016 11:08 |  #37

It sounds like the OP is relatively inexperienced in general, and has no experience with 50 mm primes. I would suggest that the 50 f/1.2L would not be a wise investment until he learns how to use a fast prime and its shallow DoF, and determines if that focal length will meet his needs. He does not state the body it will be mounted on. Whether it's on crop of FF will have a huge impact on the 35 mm equivalent angle of view, and therefore suitability to purpose. Since he lacks knowledge of the practical reasons to get the very fast f/1.2 vs the slower f/1.8 and has not researched all the reasons one would spend 10 times more for one lens over another i would be cautious about getting that big, heavy and very expensive lens. I suggest he gets the very capable 50 mm f1.8 STM first. If he learns how to shoot it and a fast 50 meets his needs, them he should consider more expense alteratives.


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Jan 20, 2016 13:04 |  #38

Surprised at the amount of hate for the 1.4. Yes it's an old design, yes it's fragile as hell but, used with care, it's a decent lens. By no means the sharpest thing wide open but by f/1.8 or f/2 it's much improved and has the measure of all the f/1.8 variants, including the STM. To claim the STM is miles ahead of the 1.4 is simply rubbish - they're incredibly similar image quality-wise.


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Jan 20, 2016 13:12 as a reply to  @ Vertigo1's post |  #39

I have the 1.8. I just bought a new 6D, and bought the 1.4 with it. I mentioned it the other day to a friend and he said the same thing I'm reading here. Send it back as it isn't worth it. Then I read on here about the new STM which I never heard of until yesterday, so I wanted to get some opinions from on here. Mine is the ii. I was just wondering what the differences are between the 3 of them, other than the obvious price and aperture




  
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Jan 20, 2016 13:16 |  #40

Brad999 wrote in post #17865948 (external link)
I have the 1.8. I just bought a new 6D, and bought the 1.4 with it. I mentioned it the other day to a friend and he said the same thing I'm reading here. Send it back as it isn't worth it. Then I read on here about the new STM which I never heard of until yesterday, so I wanted to get some opinions from on here. Mine is the ii. I was just wondering what the differences are between the 3 of them, other than the obvious price and focal length.

Did you read the reviews at the site I provided earlier in the thread? They should give you a good idea as to what the differences are.


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Jan 20, 2016 13:17 |  #41

Vertigo1 wrote in post #17865934 (external link)
Surprised at the amount of hate for the 1.4. Yes it's an old design, yes it's fragile as hell but, used with care, it's a decent lens. By no means the sharpest thing wide open but by f/1.8 or f/2 it's much improved and has the measure of all the f/1.8 variants, including the STM. To claim the STM is miles ahead of the 1.4 is simply rubbish - they're incredibly similar image quality-wise.

So by your own assessment the 50 1.4 and the 50 1.8 STM are incredibly similar image quality wise. At a fraction of the cost of the 50 1.4, how does that not put the 50 1.8 STM miles ahead?


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Jan 20, 2016 13:17 as a reply to  @ nqjudo's post |  #42

I started to, and got sidetracked. I'm heading back there now. Thanks for the reminder.




  
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Jan 20, 2016 13:19 |  #43

If you are able to, try them all for yourself. That is the best way to find out what you like. Most reviews are pretty biased. Read them and look for the pros/cons they mention. Something as simple as the weight of a lens might decide it for you.


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Jan 20, 2016 13:34 as a reply to  @ BlakeC's post |  #44

I'm going to try the STM since it is so cheap. I see it has 2 more blades and they are round. My 1.8 might be a bad copy or my previous camera wasn't up to snuff, but I disliked the images I produced with it to the point that I never use it.




  
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Jan 20, 2016 13:35 as a reply to  @ BlakeC's post |  #45

Good advice here, and keep in mind that what is important to one reviewer may not matter to you.

I shoot a lot of moving targets in low light, so I put a tea premium on autofocus performance. Someone might review a manual focus lens like the Otus 85 and conclude it is the best 85mm ever, but for me and my use that might be an expensive paperweight.

Landscape shooters care about distortion, vignette, and flare. But if you shoot portraits you might not care about these things at all.


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