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Jan 20, 2016 11:25 as a reply to  @ post 17865800 |  #8701

Now that you mention that, i remember that with the AF-ON linked to ONE SHOT, i retain that config even with the pressing the shutter button with the ai servo.


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Jan 20, 2016 11:31 |  #8702

Quick test tells me that if i press the AF ON or the * before the shutter button, the AF choice of both is kept and the shutter button as no calling on that selection.

If i press the shutter button and then one of the 2 in the back, the shutter button stops is selected AF and one of the other 2 buttons engages.


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Jan 20, 2016 11:47 |  #8703

PIPELINE wrote in post #17865831 (external link)
Quick test tells me that if i press the AF ON or the * before the shutter button, the AF choice of both is kept and the shutter button as no calling on that selection.

If i press the shutter button and then one of the 2 in the back, the shutter button stops is selected AF and one of the other 2 buttons engages.

I did a further test and I want to correct what I earlier wrote because I had never set up my camera this way but:

- if you set up the Shutter Button to engage AI Servo with lots of AF point
- then you set up BB AF to go to a Single Point and One-Shot
- if you half push and hold the Shutter Button (and don't release it) and then push on hold the AF-ON or * button
- the AF-ON or * will override the Shutter (so a single point will override the many points) because the rear AF-ON or * will Override the shutter
- if you do it in Opposite Order (BB first then Shutter) the Shutter will not override

Furthermore,
- the Depth of Field Button acts differently
- you get different effects depending on whether you press it first or second (if you have set it to AF Func)


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Jan 20, 2016 12:00 as a reply to  @ wallstreetoneil's post |  #8704

Exactly! That's what happens.

My conclusion is that if it happens with the AF selection, it will problably be the same regarding the Cases programed in to those 2 back buttons.


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Jan 20, 2016 12:09 |  #8705

Have not posted here in a while, posted a similar picture in another section. Thought I would share. Just enough light left to shoot with this camera and there is very little crop in this shot. I lucked out with these shots.


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Jan 20, 2016 12:11 |  #8706

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Jan 20, 2016 12:11 |  #8707

PIPELINE wrote in post #17865872 (external link)
Exactly! That's what happens.

My conclusion is that if it happens with the AF selection, it will problably be the same regarding the Cases programed in to those 2 back buttons.

I am so confused now...what exactly you are after by setting like that? Are you trying to customized the buttons AF ON, * ?

Maybe this video might help you. If this is what you are trying to do.

http://youtu.be/JcsSzh​D74Q4 (external link)


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Jan 20, 2016 12:32 as a reply to  @ Peter2516's post |  #8708

I'm trying to have at the same time, one shot/single point (spot) on the AF-ON, ai servo/zone af/case 4 on the * and ai servo/single point/case 1 on the shutter.

AF-ON with spot and one shot for still subjects and shorter FD (>600mm)

* with ai servo/zone af (25 points) case 4 used for BIF

Shutter with ai servo/single point and case 1 for most of the time


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Jan 20, 2016 12:36 |  #8709

PIPELINE wrote in post #17865896 (external link)
I'm trying to have at the same time, one shot/single point (spot) on the AF-ON, ai servo/zone af/case 4 on the * and ai servo/single point/case 1 on the shutter.

AF-ON with spot and one shot for still subjects and shorter FD (>600mm)

* with ai servo/zone af (25 points) case 4 used for BIF

Shutter with ai servo/single point and case 1 for most of the time

I see. Now I understand, just like the link (video) for the AF ON and * but I did not know you can also customized the shutter button just like the other 2. Thanks.


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Jan 20, 2016 12:43 as a reply to  @ Peter2516's post |  #8710

The shutter button is not very customizable as the other two.

When in "Costum Controls" you will see that only the AF-ON and * have the - INFO.Detail Set - available.

AF-ON and * gives us the ability to select the AF start position, AI Servo AF Characteristics, AF operation and AF area selection mode.


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Jan 20, 2016 13:31 |  #8711

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #17865858 (external link)
I did a further test and I want to correct what I earlier wrote because I had never set up my camera this way but:

- if you set up the Shutter Button to engage AI Servo with lots of AF point
- then you set up BB AF to go to a Single Point and One-Shot
- if you half push and hold the Shutter Button (and don't release it) and then push on hold the AF-ON or * button
- the AF-ON or * will override the Shutter (so a single point will override the many points) because the rear AF-ON or * will Override the shutter
- if you do it in Opposite Order (BB first then Shutter) the Shutter will not override

Furthermore,
- the Depth of Field Button acts differently
- you get different effects depending on whether you press it first or second (if you have set it to AF Func)

WallstreetoNeil,
You indicate the rear buttons will always trump Shutter button Af point selection, independent of order pressed, is this correct?

What about the AF Drive? Did it switch to the BB One Shot?




  
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Jan 20, 2016 13:41 as a reply to  @ gschlact's post |  #8712

Yes it changes to BB One Shot. Even with the shutter half pressed with the AI Servo, if i press the AF-ON/One Shot, i get the One Shot AF. :lol:


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Jan 20, 2016 13:49 |  #8713

PIPELINE wrote in post #17865896 (external link)
I'm trying to have at the same time, one shot/single point (spot) on the AF-ON, ai servo/zone af/case 4 on the * and ai servo/single point/case 1 on the shutter.

AF-ON with spot and one shot for still subjects and shorter FD (>600mm)

* with ai servo/zone af (25 points) case 4 used for BIF

Shutter with ai servo/single point and case 1 for most of the time


you can do all of the above and more, but I would set it up this way

so

- set the default of the camera to One-Shot with Single Point
- set AF-ON to Ai-Servo, focus point at (-) this will pass through the info (which is useful as you can change the default and it will pass through), AI Servo Case 1 (I prefer case 2 because this is my lock on target AI Servo setup)
- set * to Ai-Servo, focus point Zone, AI Servo Case 4 (i prefer Case 5)
- set DoF button, focus points ALL, and then fill in the Servo case to equal Case 6

The above setup gives you many many ways to use the camera, especially with the DoF button added in this capacity
1) It works as a point and shoot with Evaluative metering on the FP (and in One Shot vs AI Servo it is more accurate)
2) You have BB Autofocus in AI Servo mode on the AF-ON button as your first stage of tracking an individual subject (Case 2 to track the subject with higher priority. You can if you wish change this to, not pass though AF point, but Center plus Expanded area 4 (this really depends what you are shooting)
3) Next stage higher computer involvement is * with Case 5 and Zone
4) Next stage higher is you can engage the DoF give me all you got while doing either #2 or #3 (**** hitting the fan I need all the help you got button)
5) with the DoF button setup to engage all 65 AF points, if you don't want to do focus and recompose because you have multiple targets (people / animals) and you currently have Single Point setup as your AF point, just pushing the DoF button brings up all 65 AF points and then a push of the Shutter Button will grab the closest point of focus - but it will still be in One-Shot Mode (I have played with this setup mode a lot and really like it - it does take some getting use to)

Another quick option you can do if you have it all setup as above, is that if you quickly set the camera to Ai-Servo mode, if you then hit the DoF button, you can now easily place the starting single AF point on your target using the thumb joystick (while holding the DoF button) and then by simply pushing the shutter button halfway it will start to track your target.

The above is how I set up my 7D2 but on my 5DSR which I use for weddings I disable the shutter from focus - I only want focus on the rear controls because things move slower than darting animals and I never want for me to make a mistake on focus once it has been set.


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Jan 20, 2016 14:03 |  #8715

gschlact wrote in post #17865971 (external link)
WallstreetoNeil,
You indicate the rear buttons will always trump Shutter button Af point selection, independent of order pressed, is this correct?

What about the AF Drive? Did it switch to the BB One Shot?

It seems correct from my testing - the exception would be if you use the (-) pass though setting so that it uses the same AF point that is currently selected.

Yes it switched to One Shot if your BB (OF-ON or *) was selected for One Shot - but you have to make sure you are fully holding down the BB button to keep this mode engaged.


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