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50 1.8 vs 50 1.4 vs 50 1.2 L

 
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Jan 20, 2016 14:09 |  #46

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So by your own assessment the 50 1.4 and the 50 1.8 STM are incredibly similar image quality wise. At a fraction of the cost of the 50 1.4, how does that not put the 50 1.8 STM miles ahead?

Firstly, value for money hasn't been cited by anyone criticising the 1.4, to my knowledge - they've just criticised the 1.4 outright as effectively "not much good".

Secondly, they may be similar in terms of image quality but the 1.4 is half a stop faster.

I don't dispute the STM is better value for money but to say the 1.4 is inferior in absolute terms isn't fair.


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Jan 20, 2016 14:39 |  #47

Vertigo1 wrote in post #17866037 (external link)
Firstly, value for money hasn't been cited by anyone criticising the 1.4, to my knowledge - they've just criticised the 1.4 outright as effectively "not much good".

Secondly, they may be similar in terms of image quality but the 1.4 is half a stop faster.

I don't dispute the STM is better value for money but to say the 1.4 is inferior in absolute terms isn't fair.

Actually value for money has been cited by someone. Me. It is always part of the equation when evaluating similar lenses. Saying the 1.8 STM is absolutely inferior or superior is purely subjective so the argument is valid. It depends where you stand. In my case I was left high and dry due to mechanical failures on more than one 50 1.4. My 50 1.8s - any model - never failed. To me, working is infinitely superior to not working no matter the lens or the cost. That's the bottom line on the 50 1.4 for me. I respect that you have your own opinion. I'm sure it is one shared by many but the number of people who have sought alternatives to the 50 1.4 speaks volumes about the real value of the lens. It is in desperate need of an overhaul.


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Jan 21, 2016 09:36 |  #48

It might not be as sharp as the Sigma art but the Tamron 45 is still a lot sharper than Canons 50s. Plus it adds VC for 50% cheaper than the Sigma art.


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Jan 21, 2016 10:45 |  #49

FEChariot wrote in post #17866919 (external link)
It might not be as sharp as the Sigma art but the Tamron 45 is still a lot sharper than Canons 50s. Plus it adds VC for 50% cheaper than the Sigma art.

Yep. The new Tamron is certainly a viable alternative. Its optics and build, along with the VC make it a very desirable lenses and quite a bargain. I guess the 45mm could be used in place of both a 35 and a 50 for some people.


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Jan 21, 2016 16:19 |  #50

I actually quite like my 1.4. I hated it at first, but once I got the MFA sorted out (+10!), it turned out to be a pretty good and reliable little lens. I purchased the 1.8 II for my eldest son, and it is a good lens for the money.

I prefer the bokeh of the 1.4 to the 1.8. The 1.4's bokeh isn't as nice as the 1.2's, but I feel it is noticeably better than the 1.8.

I don't often use my 50mm, however. I'm more inclined to use my 40mm, which I think is a really fun little lens and great value for the money.


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Jan 21, 2016 20:13 |  #51

Here is the f1.4 at iso 100 and 1/250 ss
Regardless of sharpness I find the colors dull and the bokeh appears 'grainy' as if this was iso 3200 on my T4i

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My 50L f1.2 bokeh, on the other hand, appears smooth. Click each image for the full res. Both are iso 100



As others have said. Once you stop down the f1.4 lens to f2.0 or more the bokeh is smooth and pleasing.
But I wanted a thin dof. F2.0 is far from f1.2
Here is the f1.4 with 'good' bokeh at f2.0

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Jan 25, 2016 11:38 |  #52

Ive used the 50 1.8 II, the 50 1.8 STM, 50 1.4, and now own the 50 1.2

I would honestly say, you should only consider the 50 1.8 STM, or the 50 1.2. The STM is a killer lens! I loved it, I found it to be much more accurate AF and less hunting then the 50 1.4. the STM is sharp wide open, lovely colors, and cheap! I chose the 1.2 for the bokeh, and slightly more accurate AF.

I personally hated my copy of the 1.4. it was inconsistent and soft wide open.


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Jan 25, 2016 13:48 as a reply to  @ Lichter21c's post |  #53

I don't like my 1.8. I purchased the 1.4, but after reading a lot of people say they didn't care for it, I sent it back without even opening it. I'm going to try the STM and see how that goes. The reason being, I see a lot of people like it, and it is pretty cheap at a couple of hundred dollars CDN. I can sell it if I don't like it for a 100 dollars and then try the 1.4 or 1.2. The 1.4 was almost 3 times what I paid for the STM 1.8, so that is another reason I sent it back.




  
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Jan 28, 2016 15:27 as a reply to  @ Lichter21c's post |  #54

x2

the 50 1.4 has just had too many quality control issues in my opinion. the 50 1.2 is obviously fantastic, but expensive and heavy, and the 50 1.8 stm is just as sharp as the 50 1.4 in my experience.




  
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Jan 28, 2016 15:35 |  #55

I've had the 50 1.4 probably 8 years now and have never had 1 issue with it, it's taken lots of abuse as well. Interested in how you like the STM lens.


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Jan 28, 2016 18:15 |  #56

for those who haven't seen it;

http://blogdozack.com.​br (external link) ...anon-ef-50mm-f1-8-stm-en/

A good review covering just how interesting the new 50 STM is. Time will tell how it holds up.




  
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Jan 31, 2016 17:59 |  #57

I had the EF 50mm f/1.8 II and I currently have the EF 50mm f/1.4. The f/1.4 is worth the extra money compared to the 50mm f/1.8 II. The image quality is better. I don't know about the new STM version, though. I am very happy with my 50mm f/1.4. I've had it for maybe 4 years, and I've never had any trouble with it. It's sharp from f/1.6, and is very sharp when stopped down.


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Feb 06, 2016 03:04 |  #58

I currently have the 50mm f/1.8 II and the 50mm f/1.4 USM... will probably skip the STM while I save up for the 50L (or maybe upgrade my 100/2 to the 135/2L first, what do you guys think?).

My 1.8 II is still alive and well even if it's already 10 years old. The 1.4 is only around 1.5 years old with me and it does seem a bit soft at 1.4 and sometimes the focus just isn't there. I tried MFA-ing it and it worked OK at close distances but would usually miss focus when things get a bit distant...I try shooting a subject at a distance using all AF points and the center along with some other AF points light up but when I check, it's a bit OOF even at smaller apertures (f/2~3.5) so it's a bit tricky for me. I don't think I'd rely on it for moving subjects but for still subjects, it can do a pretty good job...I just shoot/refocus/shoot a few times and usually there's a keeper in there somewhere. When it does nail focus, it can deliver some pretty good images. Here's an example:


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Feb 09, 2016 14:28 |  #59

I have not used the f1.4, (I have the f1.8 non stm) but I have heard it is a hit or miss, some people say it is very sharp, some people say it is not worth it. After many reviews like that, I decided to just save for the 50L. In slrlounge.com they have a nice battle between the 3 50's except not the stm. The conclusion was to just skip the f1.4
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