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A second shooter's dilema

 
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Jan 08, 2016 12:36 |  #31

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17849594 (external link)
agree.

frankly, if the client contacted me, i'm pretty sure I would tell them the primary photographer is lying about the hard drive failure.

I would never do any more work for him once I knew that is how he was operating, so preserving any relationship would be of no concern.


^^^ bingo

the main photog didn't like any of your work but paid you (you are not likely to get hired again is my guess) but he fulfilled his obligation

the couple is now in a no win situation also as a decent sized deposit has been paid on the upcoming wedding pictures (plus they got no engagement photos - at least you think they didn't)

if it were me, and they contacted me, i wouldn't lie and I have them come by and show them - but they would have to deal with the main photog (they can be a future client of yours and there is no reason they can't come by your place and you can show them your work)

my guess, and if i was the client, i would personally fire the photog for lying to me and ask for my money back or goto small claims court to get it

as soon as this photog asked you to lie he has opened himself to serious risk of future business problems


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Jan 08, 2016 15:33 |  #32

Main photog is entitled to maintain his quality control standards, but I wouldn't associate with any professional that lies to a client. If pressed by the client I would refer them back to the main photog for questions but wouldn't assist in advancing any lies. Just my moral standards.


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Jan 09, 2016 21:25 |  #33

Thank you everyone, for your views.

Just to clarify, the main has not told me to LIE to the end client. He has asked me not to hand over my images to the end client, incase I am contacted by them. He has said that he will not be handing over the images, by claiming a hard disk failure (which is a lie), but has pretty much left it to me, on what/ how I should be communicating .

This, of course, is of little consolation. It is unlikely that the end client will appreciate my contractual obligations and not pester me for the images, if he realises that I have them.

Did not realise that second shooting could be messy too :P


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Jan 11, 2016 12:39 |  #34

ajayclicks wrote in post #17847947 (external link)
My view is that my contract (verbal, there is nothing written) is with the main photog, and if he does not want to share the images with the client, so be it. I therefore should not hand over any images to the client. Am I right in my view?

Yes, I think you're doing the right thing.


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Jan 11, 2016 15:25 |  #35

Rule #1: Don't lie
Rule #2: Don't do business with people who lie.

If the client contacts you tell them exactly what the deal is. It is in the hands of the person they hired.

While it is sad that it has come to this you do need to make sure you have your images backed up. I suspect the client will have to sue him to get the images so be prepared to hand them over when a judge orders it.


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Jan 22, 2016 09:48 as a reply to  @ bigVinnie's post |  #36

This has probably already been closed out, but just to offer my thought.

Never lie. For anyone. This can ruin your reputation. His is already ruined, don't allow him to bring yours down too.

If you feel that the couple needs the photos (and I think they do), an alternative solution does exist. Let the couple know that you know nothing about the harddrive failure, although you do have copies of the photos on your end and would be happy to redeliver them to the contracted photographer.

This does three things:

1.) You aren't lying.
2.) The couple obtains their pictures.
3.) The contracted photographer still has the excuse that they aren't his photos.




  
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Jan 22, 2016 22:10 |  #37

Hello everyone,

Thank you for chiming in. The end client contacted me, and I told him politely that I had the images that I shot, but as I was contracted and paid by the main photog, I have a limited role to play in handing these over. I told him that I would be more than happy to hand over my images to the second shooter (who plans make an album for the client), provided he (the client) speaks to the main photog about it.

The client has agreed, he is currently travelling for work, and will do so upon his return. He has requested that i do not delete my images- which I will not. They are currently backedup on 2 external drives, besides being on my laptop.

Cheers,
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Jan 23, 2016 05:09 as a reply to  @ ajayclicks's post |  #38

Well handled!


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