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Jan 18, 2016 14:14 |  #1

As some here may know I'm planning to buy a new camera body next year. Sadly probably later in the year. I have my mind made up that if I had the cash today, I'd be buying a Canon 7D Mark II. However luckily I have time on my side to decide which camera to get, so I figure why not look at all options. My second choice would be a 70D.

Currently I have a canon T3. The canon glass I have is an old tamron 70-300, not a good lens and will be replacing it regardless. Also I have the 100 mm 2.8 USM macro lens. I could easily and quickly sell. If I did decide to go with Nikon. And of course the kit lens. So all in all, no reason not to consider alternative bodies.

I like to shoot nature (wildlife, landscape, etc...), action, and macro. I know 1 thing I want for sure is a crop sensor. For the added reach. Irrelevant in macro I know. Also burst mode of at least 6 fps, for the action stuff or BIF. Budget isn't a major issue, since I have to save regardless. I'm thinking no more than 1500 if possible. One thing I've noticed about the Nikon is they all have over 20 megapixels. I know that's not the most important thing to determining IQ but it doesn't hurt to have a higher number? Does Nikon generally have a higher IQ than canon? I'm starting to wonder. Not trying to start a canon vs nikon fight. Just a curiosity.

Like I say time is on my side and I have several months to make a decision. Might as well start researching now!


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Jan 18, 2016 14:28 |  #2

I went from a T1i to a 70D in late 2013. Had the 7D II been out at that point in time I would have gone with that, but I was pretty desperate for a new body (to reduce noise at high ISO) and I didn't have the time to wait. I'm very pleased with the 70D as my crop body, and I've no desire to replace it. If I was currently looking at a crop body, I would choose the 7D II for the second memory card slot.

That said, you're not overly invested in Canon at this point in time. My advice would be to pop by your local camera shop and try out a few different cameras: both Canon and Nikon. Purchase what you like best. Note that every time I suggest that to someone, they purchase a Nikon after trying several cameras out (this suits me just fine . . . as they won't be asking to borrow my lenses ;)).

Canon and Nikon are both great brands, and the one in the "lead" today won't be the one in the "lead" tomorrow. They regularly take turns as "the best." I think this is something that a lot of users have a hard time coming to grips with. Just be confident in your choice and your investment.


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Jan 18, 2016 14:34 |  #3

Yea, ultimately id have to stop by the camera shop and check em out in person. Id hope to be able to narrow down the field before then.


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Jan 28, 2016 09:00 |  #4

I can tell you that from my own experience, I'm happier shooting Nikon than I was Canon. The image quality that I've seen is higher, you have more MP to work with so better cropability, and the raw files are much easier to work with....I mean you can pull so much detail out of the shadows and highlights without the introduction of noise...I was amazed!
I shot the 5d3 and 1dx, I switched last year to the D810 and D4s. It was very painful switching out all my glass, flashes, etc, and in the end I definitely came up in the red...but it gave me a chance to whittle out the lenses I didn't use.
I do miss some of the Canon lenses, the 135L and the MPE-65 to be exact, Nikon just doesn't have anything comparable.

Of course, they say the grass is always greener on the other side...For me, my case, I found it was.

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Jan 28, 2016 10:06 |  #5

I've made up my mind. I'm going with the D500. I'll have to wait till spring 2017 most likely but it'll be worth it. Not sure what lens to go with yet. I'm not paying $1,000 for the 16-80 kit lens. I realize it's a gold ring lens or whatever the technical term for nikon's high end glass? But still, I'll only have 1 lens for awhile after this purchase I want something with some reach!

I plan to rent this camera probably early june, before it gets to hot. And the 18-300 lens. This is the combination I plan to pick up. Figured I may as well rent for a weekend to be sure. As it's offfers the most versatility till I can get some other lenses of varying focal lengths.


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Feb 06, 2016 11:13 |  #6

I'm always late to the camera bodies, so I can get a decent deal. Glass is really what is important. If you are wanting to go Nikon DX, you can get into a D7200 refub for around $700. If the D7100s come up again, they are a steal for under $500. Mine had 200 frames on it. I will eventually either go D750 or D500, but not until they have dropped considerably. I look at putting $1k towards glass instead of a body that will be worth $1500 less in 5 years.

The 18-300 from all makers are not great lenses. It is asking too much for a piece of glass to zoom that far. If you are wanting to shoot nature, the difference in price between the D7200 and D500 can buy the Tamron or Sigma 150-600 lens, which are really fun. I've got the Sigma, so I can tune focus at 4 distances.

Why would you only have 1 lens? If it is a cost standpoint, then I would definitely recommend spending the money on the glass, even if it is good used AF-D glass. 30-70mm f/2.8 AF-D Push Pull is under $300 used and nice. 80-200mm f/2.8 AF-D two ring is a tank and sharp at under $600. Both of these with a D7200, will take sharper photos than a D500 with an 18-300mm.

One reason I love Nikon platform is the variety of high quality used lenses available.




  
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Feb 06, 2016 12:17 |  #7

Cormac wrote in post #17876235 (external link)
I've made up my mind. I'm going with the D500. I'll have to wait till spring 2017 most likely but it'll be worth it. Not sure what lens to go with yet. I'm not paying $1,000 for the 16-80 kit lens. I realize it's a gold ring lens or whatever the technical term for nikon's high end glass? But still, I'll only have 1 lens for awhile after this purchase I want something with some reach!

I plan to rent this camera probably early june, before it gets to hot. And the 18-300 lens. This is the combination I plan to pick up. Figured I may as well rent for a weekend to be sure. As it's offfers the most versatility till I can get some other lenses of varying focal lengths.

Nikon doesn't have a L series. Look for G series lenses, which is the most modern, but you can buy cheap and expensive G series lenses.


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Feb 06, 2016 12:53 |  #8

If 'reach' is important, Nikon has less of it than Canon...1.5x crop has about 3% less 'reach' than 1.6x crop. Yes, difference is small but could matter...100mm at 100' sees 15.4' tall area (nikon) vs. 14.9' tall area (Canon)

neacall hit it on the nose, "Canon and Nikon are both great brands, and the one in the "lead" today won't be the one in the "lead" tomorrow. They regularly take turns as "the best."

Consider other factors. Even the 'Nikon fanboy', Ken Rockwell has to say about Canon vs. Nikon:
http://www.kenrockwell​.com/tech/nikon-vs-canon.htm (external link)
he takes the side of Canon as being ahead of Nikon in the areas of ergonomics and usability!


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Feb 06, 2016 15:47 |  #9

Cormac wrote in post #17876235 (external link)
I've made up my mind. I'm going with the D500. I'll have to wait till spring 2017 most likely but it'll be worth it. Not sure what lens to go with yet. I'm not paying $1,000 for the 16-80 kit lens. I realize it's a gold ring lens or whatever the technical term for nikon's high end glass? But still, I'll only have 1 lens for awhile after this purchase I want something with some reach!

I plan to rent this camera probably early june, before it gets to hot. And the 18-300 lens. This is the combination I plan to pick up. Figured I may as well rent for a weekend to be sure. As it's offfers the most versatility till I can get some other lenses of varying focal lengths.

There is no doubt that the Nikon D500 looks like a VERY interesting camera! It's too early yet to really know how good it is but by the time you are looking to buy any potential bugs will have been worked out and the price will have dropped a bit - all good for you.

"I know 1 thing I want for sure is a crop sensor" - are you sure? I run both APSC and full frame and much of the time full frame is better for my wildlife (mainly small birds) needs. If the light is good and clear there is a definite, but smaller than you may think, reach advantage to the apsc (more densely populated) sensors, but a lot of the time I find full frame to be better overall. Just a point to consider.

Another thing to consider, before you look for a camera body, is the relative qualities of the lenses available. This is just a personal view but I have been more impressed by the Canon offerings than the (few) Nikons that I have used.

I am not suggesting that you change your decision on the D500, I am just suggesting that you look at the whole package/system before you decide. I prefer what Canon offers, especially with the Super Telephoto lenses and the 1DX/7D2 - you may well find otherwise, but check them out first! Once you have invested it is very difficult to change system so make sure you get the best one for your personal needs. Both Canon and Nikon are the best out there but each have their strengths and weaknesses.

Hope I haven't complicated things and happy deciding!


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Feb 06, 2016 15:56 |  #10

Changing systems is actually pretty easy, I did it. I sold four cameras and six lenses and purchased two higher end cameras and three higher end lenses. I used the gear that was sold professionally for between 1 and 3 years, I lost very little money on it really.

I used to shoot just crop sensors, but I'm all full frame now, I wouldn't go back. Better image quality on full frame.


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Feb 06, 2016 16:36 |  #11

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Changing systems is actually pretty easy, I did it. I sold four cameras and six lenses and purchased two higher end cameras and three higher end lenses. I used the gear that was sold professionally for between 1 and 3 years, I lost very little money on it really.

I used to shoot just crop sensors, but I'm all full frame now, I wouldn't go back. Better image quality on full frame.

Depends very much on your personal gear/needs!
If I went to Nikon (for example) I would loose a LOT of money! Even if I sold my most used lens at FULL retail price (impossible!) I would still have to find 3/4000 GBP to buy the Nikon version! Realistically I would have to find about £6500+ ($10,000) just to change that one lens. My 300 F2.8 would have to be replaced by the Nikon equivalent - no thanks I have used it! 100 Macro to Nikon - no problem the Nikon 105 is a very nice lens. Canon 24-70 F2.8 V2 to what?? Again Canon 16-35 F4 L IS ? The 14-24 is very nice but a lot more expensive. Then it's my 1DX to a D4S - err just no - I have used them. My 7D2 to a D7200? Maybe in a pinch.
So, for me, a change would involve spending silly money to get 2 equivalent lenses, 2 inferior lenses, one rather specialised lens that (for my uses) is no better and a lot more expensive (let's not even think about filters for the 14-24!).

Sorry to be a bit long winded but this is precisely the point I was getting at - the system is FAR more important than any individual camera body. For me Canon is better these days. However were my requirements a little different then Nikon may well serve me better. This is why I would like the OP to have a good long look at the alternatives as it can be VERY expensive to change. Though I am glad that it was cheap for you. Every system has it's pros and cons and Nikon and Canon offer the most complete/comprehensive systems. Which is better is down to one's personal requirements and is a decision that is (hopefully) only made once!

P.S. I agree with you on FF but long lenses (the OP wants to shoot wildlife) get very expensive - even more so in Nikon world.

Not having a go just giving a different perspective.


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Feb 06, 2016 17:05 |  #12

Nikon is more expensive than Canon - quality often is ;) Agree that the system choice is important - for long lenses it may be than Canon is a better choice, but I suspect people who need long lenses are in a very small minority. Because Nikon has lower volume, and the long lenses aren't purchased as often, it will cost more to fund that share of the R&D.

Nikon has a 24-70 F2.8 VR. Not sure about their long lenses, never used any. For a wide lens I use the 16-35 F4 VR - I don't need F2.8 even in dark churches.

So if the OP wants to shoot wildlife I do suggest considering the whole system cost - Canon, Nikon, and mirrorless.


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Feb 06, 2016 17:31 as a reply to  @ tim's post |  #13

I recently switched from a 5d3 to a d810
And am constantly gob smacked by the difference. The detail and ability to pull detail out of shadows is amazing.

This is just my opinion-I have no brand loyalties and don't understand people who do, it's simply a tool. It's like someone getting upset about someone saying brand x hammer is better than brand y hammer.

As For leapfrogging I have nothing more that I want from a camera other than compactness and lite weight but this isn't going to happen simply due to the nature of the lenses




  
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Feb 06, 2016 17:46 |  #14

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If 'reach' is important, Nikon has less of it than Canon...1.5x crop has about 3% less 'reach' than 1.6x crop. Yes, difference is small but could matter...100mm at 100' sees 15.4' tall area (nikon) vs. 14.9' tall area (Canon!

If you look at just sensor size, and ignore everything else, this is true but remember, the Nikon has a larger image to begin with because of the 24mp sensor so it is actually putting more pixels on target. (244 to 255) If you crop a Nikon image to the same pixel dimension as a Canon image, the Nikon actually has a smaller FoV than the Canon.

*edit* Whoops, looked at the D500 and it is not 24mop like the D7200 but 20mp so scratch that. :)


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Feb 06, 2016 17:57 |  #15

Ha, since I've "made up my mind" I've changed it a few times. Since reading reviews and watch videos comparing different cameras specifically. I do like the fact that nikon has no LD filter so the images are sharper. However I really don't think I would notice any difference between an image from a nikon vs canon. Literally just about anything I go with will no doubt be a substantial upgrade from what I have now.

I plan to head to Indy in september for the NHRA US Nationals. In doing so I plan to rent whichever camera I have my mind "set" on by that point. Subsequently that will likely end up being the camera I purchase. While I'm on this subject which lens should I rent to go with the rented body? I'm thinking a higher end 70-300, but maybe a 70-200 would be sufficient? Well I have plenty of time to figure that out too.

I do want crop. I'd like FF don't get me wrong. The ISO performance can't be beat. But the price of good quality glass for FF mount is much higher than good quality crop glass. I realize nikon you can use crop lenses, but your still having to use a cropped portion of the sensor. So not getting the full benefit. Canon, is FF only! Then of course there is the cost of FF bodies...much higher than crop. Unless you can find a steal. But I wouldn't want an "entry" level full frame.

Seems having time to make up my mind isn't necessarily a good thing.


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