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Feb 07, 2016 15:48 as a reply to  @ post 17889474 |  #46

Yes a few users have definitely had genuine issues, most of which I believe have been resolved by Canon. There were certainly some "user errors" as well!
I found the AF on my Canon 1D4 to be excellent - that was until I used the 1DX! OOPS! That cost me some money. It is still early days with my 7D2 (the weather has been terrible over the last few months!) but it is shaping up rather better than expected in the AF department. Whilst not quite as quick and responsive as the 1DX I certainly don't feel held back by it at all.


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Feb 07, 2016 16:57 |  #47

johnf3f wrote in post #17889482 (external link)
Yes a few users have definitely had genuine issues, most of which I believe have been resolved by Canon. There were certainly some "user errors" as well!
I found the AF on my Canon 1D4 to be excellent - that was until I used the 1DX! OOPS! That cost me some money. It is still early days with my 7D2 (the weather has been terrible over the last few months!) but it is shaping up rather better than expected in the AF department. Whilst not quite as quick and responsive as the 1DX I certainly don't feel held back by it at all.


now this post is quite ironic
by what you say, its taken you "last few months!" to figure out the 7d2 is "shaping up rather better than expected in the AF department"
but on the other hand, you were handed someone else's Nikon, for what? maybe a few minutes of shooting and that was now enough for you to go around the forum here preaching on how the D4/D4s doesn't even compare to your 1dx
now THAT there is funny!!




  
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Feb 07, 2016 21:16 |  #48

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You are quite right as it turns out I was exaggerating! I have just found a used Nikon 800 F5.6 for sale (I couldn't find one when I posted) so my price comparison is no longer valid - it would only cost me around £3000 ($4500?) to change my most used lens - bargain! Also I had completely forgotten about the Nikon 16-35 F4 - my bad! My reading around suggested that the Canon 24-70 f2.8 V2 edged the newer Nikon, your research has given you a different conclusion so they must be close - let's call that one a draw.
So yes my original comparison was wrong and should perhaps have read "3 equivalent lenses, 1 inferior lens". As to the camera bodies things may well change when the D5/D500 hit the shops but then the price difference goes up even more!

The point is that it can, sometimes, be hugely expensive to change systems which is why I am concerned that the OP get the best system for their needs in the first place. It doesn't matter which system it is:-)

The Canon 24-70 V2 only edges the new Nikon dead in the center. 1/3 from center, where most of us compose our subject, the Nikon is sharper.


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Feb 08, 2016 12:20 |  #49

Bob_A wrote in post #17889758 (external link)
The Canon 24-70 V2 only edges the new Nikon dead in the center. 1/3 from center, where most of us compose our subject, the Nikon is sharper.

At 70mm that's true, but at the wide end the Canon is superior until you get about 90% of the way to the frame corner.


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Feb 08, 2016 13:45 |  #50

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At 70mm that's true, but at the wide end the Canon is superior until you get about 90% of the way to the frame corner.

To me it looks better 1/3 out from 50mm to 70mm and about equivalent 1/3 out at 24mm. The edge sharpness is better than the Canon at all focal lengths. The Canon is clearly better at dead center sharpness.

These are both excellent lenses, and frankly they take things to the point that sensor resolution matters to get the most out of them. For example, the resolution of the Nikon 24-70 non-VR with a D810 is higher than the Canon 24-70 II on a 5D MKII.

Anyone that can't take great images with the Nikon 24-70, Nikon 24-70VR or the Canon 24-70II is doing something wrong.

Even the old "brick" takes very good images (I loved mine), except wide open at 70mm where it's much too soft. However, that lens isn't in the same league as the two Nikons and the newer Canon.


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Feb 08, 2016 13:47 |  #51

Bob_A wrote in post #17890464 (external link)
These are both excellent lenses, and frankly they take things to the point that sensor resolution matters to get the most out of them. For example, the resolution of the Nikon 24-70 non-VR with a D810 is higher than the Canon 24-70 II on a 5D MKII.

Anyone that can't take great images with the Nikon 24-70, Nikon 24-70VR or the Canon 24-70II is doing something wrong.

Even the old "brick" takes very good images (I loved mine), except wide open at 70mm where it's much too soft. However, that lens isn't in the same league as the two Nikons and the newer Canon.

I agree, although the downside to the old brick is that it drifted out of alignment over time. There's a roger cicala article on the construction behind this phenomenon.


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Feb 08, 2016 14:29 |  #52

Bob_A wrote in post #17890464 (external link)
To me it looks better 1/3 out from 50mm to 70mm and about equivalent 1/3 out at 24mm. The edge sharpness is better than the Canon at all focal lengths. The Canon is clearly better at dead center sharpness.

These are both excellent lenses, and frankly they take things to the point that sensor resolution matters to get the most out of them. For example, the resolution of the Nikon 24-70 non-VR with a D810 is higher than the Canon 24-70 II on a 5D MKII.

Anyone that can't take great images with the Nikon 24-70, Nikon 24-70VR or the Canon 24-70II is doing something wrong.

Even the old "brick" takes very good images (I loved mine), except wide open at 70mm where it's much too soft. However, that lens isn't in the same league as the two Nikons and the newer Canon.

Out of curiosity, what are you using to compare the lenses? I'm guessing maybe you own both? The LensRentals MTF data and DXO data are the only two comparisons that I'm aware of and neither of them support what you're suggesting at 24mm. The DXO measurements are actually pretty grim looking for the Nikkor but I don't put much stock in their lens measurements.


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Feb 08, 2016 14:59 |  #53

I suppose i should have mentioned this at the beginning but im an enthusiastic amateur hobbiest. So all this professional soeak really is lost on me. dxo Data be damned. If its close at all between 2 lenses or 2 bodies, ill not notice a difference. There are pros and cons to everything. Nikon and canon at the end of the day will i notice a difference between them? I doubt it


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Feb 08, 2016 15:41 |  #54

Cormac,
are you gonna spend 1/2 of a year on this thread asking what to buy? Just go and buy something.
Buy canon or switch to nikon. Just do something. Be a man and make a choice by yourself.


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Feb 08, 2016 15:49 |  #55

I let this thread die. Others revived it.


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Feb 08, 2016 15:53 |  #56

Mathmans wrote in post #17890619 (external link)
Cormac,
are you gonna spend 1/2 of a year on this thread asking what to buy? Just go and buy something.
Buy canon or switch to nikon. Just do something. Be a man and make a choice by yourself.

You sound like a fun guy.


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Feb 08, 2016 16:06 |  #57

I've shot the 7D and now, the 7D2. I am yet to encounter any focus errors other than of my own doing. The 7D2 has a sophisticated focusing system that takes time to learn. But there's nothing inherently flawed about it. You can decide what brand or body you want to get, but don't let any perceived 7D2 focusing "issues" drive your decision.


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Feb 08, 2016 17:40 |  #58

Scrumhalf wrote in post #17890662 (external link)
I've shot the 7D and now, the 7D2. I am yet to encounter any focus errors other than of my own doing. The 7D2 has a sophisticated focusing system that takes time to learn. But there's nothing inherently flawed about it. You can decide what brand or body you want to get, but don't let any perceived 7D2 focusing "issues" drive your decision.

What sort of things need to be learnt about the focusing system compared to the 7d?




  
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Feb 08, 2016 17:44 |  #59

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What sort of things need to be learnt about the focusing system compared to the 7d?

Center point focusers or those not having a lot of focus pattern options are many times confused with the possible combinations and many times choose a focus pattern or setting that is not really optimal for their subject. Then they come here and complain that the 7DII has a broken AF system.


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Feb 08, 2016 17:53 as a reply to  @ gjl711's post |  #60

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