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Feb 10, 2016 09:16 |  #16

gonzogolf wrote in post #17892927 (external link)
The yn622x system has two components. The transcievers which can serve as a transmitter or receiver, and the 622cTx which is a dedicated transmitter that controls the 622c units on the flash. Regardless you will need 1 unit on your camera (622c transciever or transmitter) and one transciever for each flash unit. The difference between using the transmitter versus the transceiver is the transmitter doesn't require you to access the cameras internal flash control menu, but instead has an LCD panel on the transmitter. You should be fine with either option.

As for the umbrella, pick something in the 42 or 43 inch range. The difference between cheap and expensive models tends to be build quality and durability rather than light quality. You will also need a bracket to mount on the stand to hold the umbrella.

The cowboy kit you linked to is for continuous lights not flash.


Please correct me if I'm wrong here as to what I will be purchasing. Thanks for all of the help.

1) YONGNUO YN-622C-TX E-TTL Wireless Flash Controller for Canon. Will this work with my 6D?

http://www.amazon.com …-Controller/dp/B00LD0K7​7M (external link)

2) Yongnuo YN-622C-USA E-TTL 2.4-GHz Wireless Flash Trigger Transceiver Pair for Canon DSLRs

http://www.amazon.com …fRID=0BBREVBSQT​9CF8R71VCF (external link)

3) 2 of these 43 inch white umbrellas

http://www.amazon.com …nt-Umbrella/dp/B003PEX8XE (external link)

4) Pair of light stands

http://www.amazon.com …tands-Cases/dp/B001WB02Z4 (external link)

5) YN560-III flash

http://www.amazon.com …-7&keywords=YONGNUO+fla​sh (external link)

6) Pair of mounts. But which one do I need?

http://www.amazon.com …der-Bracket/dp/B0034WR19Y (external link)

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http://www.amazon.com …der-Bracket/dp/B0034WR19Y (external link)




  
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Feb 10, 2016 09:28 as a reply to  @ Z32's post |  #17

this is brilliant. thanks to everyone for their input and to the OP for summarizing.


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Feb 10, 2016 09:34 |  #18

If you want TTL, which the YN-622 are capable of, you might want YN568EX instead of YN560-III.

Both of the mounts you link are plastic. Never buy plastic mounts. I have used these and they are not bad:

http://www.amazon.com/​gp/product/B00V60K8LO (external link)




  
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Feb 10, 2016 09:53 |  #19

smallick wrote in post #17892965 (external link)
this is brilliant. thanks to everyone for their input and to the OP for summarizing.

NP. I just want to be sure I don't buy the wrong items (or anyone else who needs this info).

jsphoto wrote in post #17892974 (external link)
If you want TTL, which the YN-622 are capable of, you might want YN568EX instead of YN560-III.

Both of the mounts you link are plastic. Never buy plastic mounts. I have used these and they are not bad:

http://www.amazon.com/​gp/product/B00V60K8LO (external link)


Thanks for the info, I will get the YN568EX flash and the mounts you just linked to. I really want to thank everyone in this thread. I'm actually a little embarrassed that it took me this long to buy lighting and just kind of dive into it. I've been shooting for many years, but never really had the need for a lighting setup. But I think it'll help me to experiment some more and see what I've been missing.




  
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Feb 10, 2016 10:28 as a reply to  @ Z32's post |  #20

You might want to get the YN-685 flash instead of the 568EXII. It has the radio reciever built in already.


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Feb 10, 2016 10:33 |  #21

Heya,

You didn't really answer about the venue or anything, so it really would help to know. You may not need modifiers and stuff, just lights, bouncing off the ceiling or just aimed where ever, bare. If you take stands, modifiers, etc, it becomes a big pile of stuff, and unless you get heavy duty heavy things, they will knock over, etc, easily and it's worth considering (you will want to sand bag things just in case, especially in public space sharing with others walking around).

Buying a bunch of stuff won't just work. What and where you are shooting matters. You may not need anything other than one or two lights. Or none at all! You need to share what this place is, what the lighting needs to be like, what the end-game-goal is, etc. It will help you not spend extra money you don't need to.

That said...

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I would actually suggest you get the Yongnuo 685 series instead of all those Yongnuo's mentioned. It does HSS, ETTL, etc. It also has built-in wifi receivers (built in YN622's & 603 capability) so you don't have to have a separate transceiver and batteries per flash per transceiver. The 685 series uses the YN622 protocol & the 603 or 560 protocol, so it can be used in both, in the YN622 as ETTL/HSS, etc, or integrated into the 560 series and used as a manual flash. So you can use ONE controller (the TX-622 or TX-560) and control all the flashes as they all have built in wifi receivers. So you don't have to buy any Yn622's except for your Canon 430EXII. The TX controllers handle power level, zoom, mode, groups, etc.

Do not bother with 565EXII or 568EXII nor YN600. Look at the YN685. It replaces all of those completely and has a built in Yn622 inside, for $110 (Amazon current price). Simply add a controller (TX-622). And if you want to use your 430EXII get a single YN622 for it and only it.

The cost of not buying a handful of YN622's just bought you a third flash. And the whole system is manual, ETTL, and HSS capable. Full feature.

Yongnuo 685 for Canon ($110) (external link)

As for the modifiers, I would actually suggest you look at brolly boxes over the umbrellas. Same concept. They are umbrellas with liners and they work like a softbox (spill control, etc), so they are an umbrella, collapse the same, etc, just have a velcro liner attachment and it becomes a softbox. Way better than an umbrella honestly as you don't lose portability/weight by doing this.

Godox 47" Brolly Box ($30 shipped on Amazon, prime available) (external link)

Get a boom stand. Not just any light stand. You'll want a boom capable stand. Here's an inexpensive high quality fairly heavy duty one: Adorama Boom Stand ($80) (external link) ** Note: this boom is not needed for your group stuff, this is more for controlled singles or couples. You can ignore this one for the big group thing. **

And for flash brackets, here's Godox s-brackets for speedlites (they hold the speedlite by the barrel, not the shoe, have an umbrella shaft AND have a bowen's mount, this is way better and far more stable): Godox S-bracket ($18) (external link). Well worth it.

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By the way, when doing large modifiers or high outputs, I often pair flashes up. If you put two flashes together, you get +1 stop of light, which means you can use them both at one stop less of power, get more spread, and a faster recycle time on both while maintaining the output of 1 stop higher. Awesome way to get spread for a large modifier, and to not use full 1/1 power, so you can speed up recycle times. Just a thought if you are doing seriously big things, like 60" modifiers. But really, two 47" modifiers should give you decent coverage. Just increase flash output to around 1/4 or 1/2 and increase ISO to as high as it needs to be to get exposure.

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Feb 10, 2016 10:40 |  #22

Z32 wrote in post #17892430 (external link)
I tried searching and found some info, but thought I would post anyways for my specific needs. I own a Canon 6D and have a 430EXII. I will be shooting a small event that will have a stage and require lighting for group shots (6-10 people per group shot).

Just so that something obvious isn't overlooked, but do you know the venue well? Is there any chance the stage you mention is already well equipped, lighting wise? I've been able to shoot some theater events at ISO 100 and 200 because the stage lighting was so good.


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Feb 10, 2016 11:30 |  #23

Thanks to MFGorilla and Malveaux for posting about the YN685, that's a great idea since it has a built in receiver.


I apologize for overlooking the questions about the event. It's a small Muslim engagement being held in a hall with about 20-22 foot ceilings. I've been asked to do this as I know the couple. I've used my hotshoe flash to bounce off the ceiling in a place with 10 foot ceilings and have used my Gary Fong Lightsphere with success in other events. I can see the Lightsphere being helpful for candid photos with 2-3 people in them. But getting groups of maybe 10+ people well lit in a dimly lit hall on stage will be different. It also seems the ceilings are too high to have a successful bounce (didn't work for me last time at this height). I have tried lighting a big group like that with a hotshoe flash in the past, and the results are not to my liking (uneven lighting). This place is definitely not lit well. And I think a good group picture on stage will be lacking lighting for sure. Thus, this is the reason I thought buying a setup as you folks have suggested would return better results. I hope this helps.




  
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Feb 10, 2016 11:42 |  #24

One thing you might want to add to your purchase is a case that will carry everything. You can get one for pretty cheap (external link). This is just an example of what's available.

I use an old tripod bag to carry two light stands with umbrella adapters, umbrellas and two flashes in the protective case that came with them. Makes it much easier to get around.


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Feb 10, 2016 13:02 |  #25

Z32 wrote in post #17892949 (external link)
Please correct me if I'm wrong here as to what I will be purchasing. Thanks for all of the help.

2) Yongnuo YN-622C-USA E-TTL 2.4-GHz Wireless Flash Trigger Transceiver Pair for Canon DSLRs

http://www.amazon.com …fRID=0BBREVBSQT​9CF8R71VCF (external link)

If you decide on the 622C transceivers, go with version II (622C II).

http://www.amazon.com …&s=merchant-items&sr=1-15 (external link)




  
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Feb 10, 2016 13:09 |  #26

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I guess I'm no one.

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Feb 10, 2016 13:13 |  #27

Z32 wrote in post #17892949 (external link)
Please correct me if I'm wrong here as to what I will be purchasing. Thanks for all of the help.

1) YONGNUO YN-622C-TX E-TTL Wireless Flash Controller for Canon. Will this work with my 6D?

http://www.amazon.com …-Controller/dp/B00LD0K7​7M (external link)

2) Yongnuo YN-622C-USA E-TTL 2.4-GHz Wireless Flash Trigger Transceiver Pair for Canon DSLRs

http://www.amazon.com …fRID=0BBREVBSQT​9CF8R71VCF (external link)

3) 2 of these 43 inch white umbrellas

http://www.amazon.com …nt-Umbrella/dp/B003PEX8XE (external link)

4) Pair of light stands

http://www.amazon.com …tands-Cases/dp/B001WB02Z4 (external link)

5) YN560-III flash

http://www.amazon.com …-7&keywords=YONGNUO+fla​sh (external link)

6) Pair of mounts. But which one do I need?

http://www.amazon.com …der-Bracket/dp/B0034WR19Y (external link)

OR

http://www.amazon.com …der-Bracket/dp/B0034WR19Y (external link)


First off great thread, especially for a complete beginner like me, the above list really helps out!

So if you are to pick up the YN-685 instead of the 568EXII which item(s) can be removed from the shopping list above?




  
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Feb 10, 2016 13:28 as a reply to  @ Springer1979's post |  #28

Other than the YN-560III flash?

Instead of a 622-TX and a pair of 622-C's you might be able to find a package (like this one (external link)) with one of each and save yourself about 40 bucks.


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Feb 10, 2016 13:28 |  #29

Getting the YN-685 flash would mean you don't need a YN-622C receiver for it. Thus in my case, I would only need 1 receiver, for my 430EXII. However, I can't find any place that sells a single receiver. The only place I could find selling a single is on Ebay from China. If anyone knows where to get a single, please let me know. Thanks.




  
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Feb 10, 2016 13:30 as a reply to  @ Z32's post |  #30

Try this link.

http://www.amazon.com …r=8-2&keywords=yn+622c+tx (external link)


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