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Is this ethical?

 
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Feb 09, 2016 18:35 |  #31

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Uhmmmm....its good to be a landscape photographer ;)

I hear ya, I never had a case where I painted a building, took some pictures, only to find out that the building moved to a different part of town for another photographer to take more pictures. :D

I guess I side with many others where this isn't really an ethical issue, as long as a contract wasn't breached. Once the model walks away from the gig, you no longer hold any rights over her or what she has on her, unless you have an agreement. This means she is free to do whatever at that point. It would be different if the other photographer showed up at your studio or shoot location and started to take pictures after the MU was applied.

If you feel you own the makeup job and it was just for the shoot, I agree, it would have been wise to have her wash it off, but that should have been made clear at the beginning.


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Feb 09, 2016 22:25 |  #32

It is very common for props, wardrobe, hair and make-up to be supplied for a shoot. The make up artist's work doesn't belong to the model just because it's one her body any more than the warddrobe does. The make-up artist agreed terms for a (single) TF/paid shoot. If the model wants to do a second shoot then the make-up artist needs to be compensated.


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Feb 09, 2016 22:45 |  #33

If the agreement was that the shoot was free to the model, and there was no agreement for makeup removal, and the model leaves, there is no further expectation on the model's part. If there was an ethical breach that shows financial loss then you would have grounds for a legal claim. This would not win any compensation.


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Feb 12, 2016 20:17 |  #34

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For you, this is just something to have a laugh about. There are two scenarios where this may be slightly unethical, both of which are only likely to harm the reputation of the other photographer, if anyone. The most interesting point to consider is whether the model made photographer #2 aware that her makeup was done for another photographer's shoot.

If the other photographer knew it was from your test shoot, he should have asked her to remove the makeup for the sake of his own reputation and artistic integrity. I wouldn't shoot a model in second-hand makeup and risk being seen as stealing another creative team's work! If he knew, his choice to shoot her as-is was possibly a bit unethical, but mostly it was just a bad decision.

If the other photographer genuinely thought the model did her own makeup, or had it done for his shoot, and the model did not tell him otherwise, then I would go so far as to say the model did indeed do something unethical; she's put another photographer's professional reputation at risk to get herself a few more portfolio shots. If the makeup job is unique enough that the photographer gets called out on it, he'll likely take the flak for it, not the model. The industry treats models as clueless, sadly, and will expect the photographer to have inquired about the model's makeup, for the purposes of correct attribution.

Do you know for certain which of these situations applies?

I honestly don't, but my gut feeling is he had to know that this wasn't the model doing her own makeup.




  
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Feb 12, 2016 20:21 as a reply to  @ fk6065's post |  #35

Overall I think she just made a mistake and didn't realize at the time what she was actually doing.




  
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Mar 01, 2016 16:37 |  #36

I cannot believe that the only issue here is what is being presented. It seems so trivial to me.




  
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Mar 02, 2016 00:37 |  #37

Its not unethical at all...What she does with the rest of her life outside of your shoot is up to her.

She was just being smart and taking advantage of an opportunity.

If you were starting out and someone let you use a camera at your disclosure for a month...chances are you'd try to book some shoots and make money.

Taking advantage of an opportunity.

When lexus gives you a loaner and says to stay in the state...you take advantage of an opportunity ;p




  
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Mar 03, 2016 02:33 |  #38

It is unethical in the same way that using office copier is to make copies of your drivers license, or using office computer to answer personal emails.

So she used the makeup, so what? It did not cost you any money. If the makeup was particularly unique and something that identifies your style, then you should get it washed before she left, or at least made it clear to her that it is important that she protect your creative style. Absent these, I would not put too much thought into it.




  
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