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Feb 17, 2016 08:05 |  #151

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Are there many besides the daily updating antivirus group?

There is this little company in Washington state called Microsoft that has a little suite of programs called Office 365 that is on a subscription. ;-)a


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Feb 17, 2016 09:29 |  #152

Like most of us herein, I would be embarrassed to quantify the amount of money, in total, that I've got rapped
up in this ludicrous hobby of photography. Carping about $10/mo and/or tax write offs just seems beyond my comprehension.

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Feb 17, 2016 10:15 |  #153

pknight wrote in post #17901738 (external link)
There is this little company in Washington state called Microsoft that has a little suite of programs called Office 365 that is on a subscription. ;-)a

Microsoft still lets you choose between a subscription version of Office and a perpetual license. Most people I deal with are better off buying Home and Student for $150 and using it for 6 years than than paying $100/yr for Office 365.

Adobe does not allow users this choice among the professional products with the exception of LightRoom.




  
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Feb 17, 2016 11:10 |  #154

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Microsoft still lets you choose between a subscription version of Office and a perpetual license. Most people I deal with are better off buying Home and Student for $150 and using it for 6 years than than paying $100/yr for Office 365.

Adobe does not allow users this choice among the professional products with the exception of LightRoom.

OK. But the question was does anyone do this other than antivirus vendors. Office 365 is not the only example.


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Feb 17, 2016 12:51 |  #155
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A number of companies are doing this. I know PhaseOne has been offering C1P by susbcription since version 8, but they still give you the choice to 'own' (as in giving you a perpetual licence) the sofware. Others are moving into the vaporous cloud as well: I recently got an E-mail from BlinkBid about their new version and it's completely cloud based and subscription only: http://blinkbid.com/pr​icing/ (external link) . Sure, you can still use the old stand-alone version, but it will no longer be updated or developed. Needless to say, that's the end of my relationship with BlinkBid; I'll continue to use version 7 till it runs out of gas and then look for a different solution that doesn't turn my computer into a dumb terminal nor syphons vast amounts of cash from my meagre bank account.


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Feb 17, 2016 14:13 |  #156

pknight wrote in post #17901942 (external link)
OK. But the question was does anyone do this other than antivirus vendors.

No, the question was substantially different.




  
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Feb 17, 2016 14:30 |  #157

agedbriar wrote in post #17901708 (external link)
Are there many besides the daily updating antivirus group?


pknight wrote in post #17901942 (external link)
OK. But the question was does anyone do this other than antivirus vendors. Office 365 is not the only example.


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No, the question was substantially different.

It was your question, so I believe you. There must be something between the lines. My apology.


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Feb 17, 2016 14:49 |  #158

Please, don't get me wrong, guys.

I wasn't being provocative. I merely wanted to know if it really was time to do some preventive shopping, upgrading, whatever, as TeamSpeed spoke of countless others adopting this model.

(Let anyone decide for themselves if countless, many and anyone really aren't that different terms at all.)

EDIT: I'm putting the last sentence above into brackets, as it was mainly addressed to a Tom Reichner's post, which has since been deleted.




  
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Feb 18, 2016 08:53 as a reply to  @ post 17900680 |  #159

Really glad to see Tom now considering to use Photoshop now. Hope his obtaining of the software works. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind purchasing it for him.


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Mar 28, 2016 16:04 |  #160

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Really glad to see Tom now considering to use Photoshop now. Hope his obtaining of the software works. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind purchasing it for him.

Well, I finally "took the plunge", so to speak.

I got an email last night - it was from B&H, with their "Deal of the Day". I get these emails daily, and usually it's for something useless.
But today's deal is for Photoshop Elements 14, for $44. Seemed like a pretty good price, so I went ahead and ordered the download version, which is supposed to be emailed to me within 12 hours.

So, pretty soon I should have the program, and hopefully it only takes me a couple months to figure out how to do something with it.

If I spend 5 or 10 minutes a day for two months trying to learn it, and I still can't use it effectively, then I'll probably give up on it and it will have been a waste of 44 of my precious dollars. Unfortunately, that is what happened with both Aperture and LightRoom. I paid for them and then they ended up being a waste because I could not learn them sufficiently within a reasonable amount of time and with a reasonable amount of mental effort.

Conversely, if I am able to figure out Photoshop Elements without too much thinking, and it is capable of doing the editing that I want to do, it could pay for itself in just a few months, via increased stock photo sales. That is what I am hoping for.

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Mar 28, 2016 16:29 |  #161

Tom Reichner wrote in post #17952202 (external link)
Well, I finally "took the plunge", so to speak.

I got an email last night - it was from B&H, with their "Deal of the Day". I get these emails daily, and usually it's for something useless.
But today's deal is for Photoshop Elements 14, for $44. Seemed like a pretty good price, so I went ahead and ordered the download version, which is supposed to be emailed to me within 12 hours.

So, pretty soon I should have the program, and hopefully it only takes me a couple months to figure out how to do something with it.

If I spend 5 or 10 minutes a day for two months trying to learn it, and I still can't use it effectively, then I'll probably give up on it and it will have been a waste of 44 of my precious dollars. Unfortunately, that is what happened with both Aperture and LightRoom. I paid for them and then they ended up being a waste because I could not learn them sufficiently within a reasonable amount of time and with a reasonable amount of mental effort.

Conversely, if I am able to figure out Photoshop Elements without too much thinking, and it is capable of doing the editing that I want to do, it could pay for itself in just a few months, via increased stock photo sales. That is what I am hoping for.

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I'm pleased that you are trying it. But i sense you are creating an artificial barier with the time limit. Essentially you have just created an excuse for you to quit, and that doesn't seem like you.




  
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Mar 28, 2016 17:27 |  #162

Tom Reichner wrote in post #17952202 (external link)
Well, I finally "took the plunge", so to speak.

I got an email last night - it was from B&H, with their "Deal of the Day". I get these emails daily, and usually it's for something useless.
But today's deal is for Photoshop Elements 14, for $44. Seemed like a pretty good price, so I went ahead and ordered the download version, which is supposed to be emailed to me within 12 hours.

So, pretty soon I should have the program, and hopefully it only takes me a couple months to figure out how to do something with it.

If I spend 5 or 10 minutes a day for two months trying to learn it, and I still can't use it effectively, then I'll probably give up on it and it will have been a waste of 44 of my precious dollars. Unfortunately, that is what happened with both Aperture and LightRoom. I paid for them and then they ended up being a waste because I could not learn them sufficiently within a reasonable amount of time and with a reasonable amount of mental effort.

Conversely, if I am able to figure out Photoshop Elements without too much thinking, and it is capable of doing the editing that I want to do, it could pay for itself in just a few months, via increased stock photo sales. That is what I am hoping for.

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What do you use to process photos now?


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Mar 28, 2016 18:11 |  #163

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What do you use to process photos now?

Apple's "Photos". I like it almost as much as I liked iPhoto, which was by far the best photo editing program I ever used (according to my own personal experiences).

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"They're", "their", and "there" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:17 |  #164

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I'm pleased that you are trying it. But i sense you are creating an artificial barier with the time limit. Essentially you have just created an excuse for you to quit, and that doesn't seem like you.

It is not an artificial barrier. It is a very real barrier. I can get my brain to concentrate hard on something for about 5 to 10 minutes, then it tires and its ability to maintain that apex level of concentration is diminished. It would be foolish for me to try to learn something difficult when my brain's ability to concentrate is at anything less than 100%. To do so would be inefficient.

If I apply myself to learning Photoshop Elements for 7 minutes a day, for two months, then I will have spent a total of 7 hours trying to learn Photoshop. If, after 7 full hours of apex-level applied thinking, I cannot perform basic editing functions such as cropping, resizing, archiving, and adjusting exposure, then surely the program is not for me. I learned how to do all of these basic in "Photos" in about 10 seconds (quite literally). If the same things cannot be done, even after 7 hours of hard concentration, then I would not be quitting, I would simply be realizing that if a program makes even the most basic editing commands so difficult to learn, then that program is not for me.

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"Your" and "you're" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one.
"They're", "their", and "there" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one.
"Fare" and "fair" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one. The proper expression is "moot point", NOT "mute point".

  
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Mar 28, 2016 18:57 |  #165

Part of the difficulty behind an innocuous question like posed in OP, is "just what do you mean when you say 'Photoshop'?! The problem is that Adobe keeps 'repackaging' and renaming, and playing games with licensing concepts mixed into the naming confusion. This drawing:

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  1. In the beginning was the bottom line, the pixel editor / graphic arts tool.
  2. Then Adobe purchased what was to become Lightroom, and about the same time release additional modules to provide rudimentary data management and RAW conversion to the pixel editor.
  3. Then Adobe 'bundled' it all under the 'Photoshop CSn' naming, but it was still the same concept as the multimodule Photoshpp that was launched in parallel to Lightroom.
  4. Then Adopbe decided to change to the subscription model, and renamed it 'Photoshop CC', while later adding extra cost software apps, collectively under the same name, at $20/mo subscription for the base collection. They further 'hide' the existence of separate modules for data management and for RAW conversion.
  5. Then Adobe decided to repackage a version 'for the photographer' (pink box) and subscribe it for $10/mo subscription



So then along comes the OP question, and you have to ask, "Which of the 5 models are your referring to, when using the 'Photoshop' moniker?"

And if you think about it, model #4 is the same 'Photoshop' capability as the 'photographer bundle' yet discounted by $10, in spite of adding Lightroom to the bundle, because of the lack of appeal in the marketplace of the Photoshop CC...it was a licensing disappointment.

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