Sony A7x lounge

@Travis - I took some test photos with the TSE 24 II today at f/4, f/5.6, f/8, f/11, f/16 & f/22.

For reference I focussed exactly in the middle of the frame. One thing I thought of after though was that the buildings I focussed on in the centre are at a different distance from the camera than the stuff at the corners so DOF might come in to play a bit. I also forgot to turn off IBIS if that matters. Lens was not shifted or tilted. Compressed RAW.

@David A - i know you already have the lens but would be interested to hear your thoughts on what you see also.

I also took shots with the Samyang 24 f/1.4 from the same setup. What I can see straight away is that the Samyang is sharper in the corners than the unshifted TSE 24 II!!

If you align the TSE shots with the Samyang shots in PS as layers and flick between at matching apertures you will see the Samyang is sharper at every aperture

Here are the TSE 24 II shots HERE
Here are the Samyang shots HERE

So what does this tell me? Is the TSE 24 II no good on the A7RII? Does it just look bad because the Samyang is exceptional?

I really wish I had taken shots at 24mm with my 16-35 also to see how the 3 lenses compare. I may have to repeat this test now. The downside is that if the TSE is indeed inferior on the A7RII it poses me a problem as I really need a tilt shift lens for the architecture project I started today

Yeah you dont want the LAEA-4.
OK rains abated a bit, just came in from outside.
The 100-400ii + MB Tiv focuses fast at 100, not native but quick.
At 400 it takes a second (ish) hunting to get focuses.
I tested at a target 20 feet away and then aimed at a target
10 feet away, still about a second (ish) to get there.
Wouldn't work for my nature attempts.....and that's why I added
the 70-400gii.
BUT what firmware am I at with the MB adapter?
I'll have to check on that. I've been good updating but
maybe am not at the latest latest.
Anyone know a quick way as in camera to see Metabones firmware version?

And I was not slamming the Sport in any way. I had the 120-300 Sig and it
is superlative as well....just my age thing going on with weight.

xpfloyd wrote in post #17911087
@David A - i know you already have the lens but would be interested to hear your thoughts on what you see also.

I imported the f/8 versions into lightroom and aligned the upper right hand corner so I could flip back and forth. My guess/hope is the IBIS messed up the shot. Just seeing stuff that would otherwise make no sense at all. For instance, the edges of the blue sign are aliased with oversized blocks of pixels...it almost looks like you took the TS-E photo with 3MP camera and the SY 24 with a 42MP camera. It doesn't look "blurry", in fact the edges of the sign are a good deal crisper (stronger edge contrast) than the SY 24mm image, but looks like a very low resolution shot. So, makes me feel its an IBIS thing.

Prattville, Alabama with EF 35mm f/1.4L II:

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/Eq1m​5N

David Arbogast wrote in post #17911171
I imported the f/8 versions into lightroom and aligned the upper right hand corner so I could flip back and forth. My guess/hope is the IBIS messed up the shot. Just seeing stuff that would otherwise make no sense at all. For instance, the edges of the blue sign are aliased with oversized blocks of pixels...it almost looks like you took the TS-E photo with 3MP camera and the SY 24 with a 42MP camera. It doesn't look "blurry", in fact the edges of the sign are a good deal crisper (stronger edge contrast) than the SY 24mm image, but looks like a very low resolution shot. So, makes me feel its an IBIS thing.

The worrying thing is both sets of shots were taken with the same camera settings including IBIS ON.

EDIT - Just had a thought. with the TSE lens I used the metabones and also the lens has electrical contacts wheras the Samyang shot was with a dumb adaptor. What im thinking is that the TSE shot would have applied 24mm IBIS control as its auto detect but the Samyang would have applied 85mm IBIS control (I just checked) as thats the last setting I had it set to. It could have indeed been an IBIS issue.

I see now what you mean about the blue bridge on the TSE shot, the edge is all jaggy. Im def going to have to repeat this test with IBIS off

xpfloyd wrote in post #17911180
The worrying thing is both sets of shots were taken with the same camera settings including IBIS ON.

EDIT - Just had a thought. with the TSE lens I used the metabones and also the lens has electrical contacts wheras the Samyang shot was with a dumb adaptor. What im thinking is that the TSE shot would have applied 24mm IBIS control as its auto detect but the Samyang would have applied 85mm IBIS control (I just checked) as thats the last setting I had it set to. It could have indeed been an IBIS issue.

I see now what you mean about the blue bridge on the TSE shot, the edge is all jaggy. Im def going to have to repeat this test with IBIS off

That seems very plausible. IBIS - when set to auto - is entirely dependent upon the communication of lens to camera. Without that lens-to-camera communication, the camera has no idea if you're using a 24mm or a 2400mm lens. So, my guess is that using the SY without manually setting the IBIS effectively switched it off.

David Arbogast wrote in post #17911186
That seems very plausible. IBIS - when set to auto - is entirely dependent upon the communication of lens to camera. Without that lens-to-camera communication, the camera has no idea if you're using a 24mm or a 2400mm lens. So, my guess is that using the SY without manually setting the IBIS effectively switched it off.

The camera would have thought I manually set it to 85mm as IBIS was on and the focal length was at 85mm. Im wondering if its the mismatch of focal length on the lens and IBIS focal length thats meant its not been enough to affect the IQ.

Im going to go back to the same location tomorrow and switch IBIS off and retake the shots and also include the 16-35 at 24mm. Really need to get to the bottom of this. The Sy 24 is definitely a keeper after seeing these results. I really need the TSE to be OK though as options are limited!

Let's hope it was IBIS. Did you test uncompressed?

Thanks Eddie for doing this. I'm very hopeful for good results. If not well I may need to pick up a canon body.

xpfloyd wrote in post #17911180
The worrying thing is both sets of shots were taken with the same camera settings including IBIS ON.

EDIT - Just had a thought. with the TSE lens I used the metabones and also the lens has electrical contacts wheras the Samyang shot was with a dumb adaptor. What im thinking is that the TSE shot would have applied 24mm IBIS control as its auto detect but the Samyang would have applied 85mm IBIS control (I just checked) as thats the last setting I had it set to. It could have indeed been an IBIS issue.

I see now what you mean about the blue bridge on the TSE shot, the edge is all jaggy. Im def going to have to repeat this test with IBIS off

I took the architecture shot with IBIS off and uncompressed. I then took the test shots from a different location and set it back to my "1" preset on the dial and forgot I had IBIS on and compressed RAW on that mode. I will re-test tomorrow uncompressed and IBIS off. Im hopeful for good results too. If I need to pick up a canon body for my TSE I will then be in the position where I am thinking whats the point in having the sony and I really dont want to go there

xpfloyd wrote in post #17911208
I took the architecture shot with IBIS off and uncompressed. I then took the test shots from a different location and set it back to my "1" preset on the dial and forgot I had IBIS on and compressed RAW on that mode. I will re-test tomorrow uncompressed and IBIS off. Im hopeful for good results too. If I need to pick up a canon body for my TSE I will then be in the position where I am thinking whats the point in having the sony and I really dont want to go there

I too will get out and take some TS- 24L II on 5DS R and on a7R II so we can learn more about the comparison of the lens on a native Canon body vs Sony. But, my test will be focusing on the shifted performance as that is really my only concern.

MedicineMan4040 wrote in post #17910556
Last I read the 2.0 or 1.4 Sony FE TC doesn't work with the FE 70-200/4, correct?

WHAAA!!!!!!!

GRRRRRR

eriet30 wrote in post #17911257
WHAAA!!!!!!!

GRRRRRR

Ok so not fully confirmed that it only works with the 2x TC. Just strong language that says so far the only statements are "compatable with the 70-200 f2.8"....

Be very disappointing if the TC is only made at this time for the one lens.;........ although Brian Smith is not saying it will work with any other lenses. BIG BAH here.

eriet30 wrote in post #17911285
Ok so not fully confirmed that it only works with the 2x TC. Just strong language that says so far the only statements are "compatable with the 70-200 f2.8"....

Be very disappointing if the TC is only made at this time for the one lens.;........ although Brian Smith is not saying it will work with any other lenses. BIG BAH here.

G-Master time lol

I had my first attempt at a Joel Tjintjelaar style architecture shot today. My light leak issue is almost cured with the neoprene pouch I adapted. Theres still a bit of an issue with light bouncing between my two filters so next time im going to add a bit of black tape to the equation. I have quickly learned that I have a LOT to learn on the PP side. Really struggled with this and its not yet where I want it to be. Also going to re-shoot it as I wanted to stick to square crop and shot this a bit too close for that.

For now though heres my first attempt. Ill call it a work in progress

8 Minute Exposure with the Firecrest 16 stop

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/Dv9Z​tp