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Feb 23, 2016 21:46 |  #61

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Right, it's physically possible. Now even if there's a way, there must be a will. Hopefully Sony finds the will to make these small lenses.

If they don't, hopefully Canon does. I really don't care who does it, I just hope it happens soon, I have no quarrels with switching systems :) When I bought my X-E1 I really was just wishing someone would make a similar sized camera with my 6D's sensor in it... then the a7S came out and it was even better, sadly the justifiable (for me) lenses haven't followed as steadily as I hoped, which really isn't a huge deal since I was using mostly MF lenses even with my 6D.


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Feb 25, 2016 08:53 |  #62

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And have you worked at a newspaper for an extended amount of time? If not, you may not know what constitutes journalism.

I have a deep respect for your knowledge of photography and the business of photography, idkdc, and you certainly have a ton of valid points as to why Sony mirrorless cameras are not superior tools for extreme journalism like war reporting (and to a lesser extent sports shooting).

But I'll be your huckleberry if you want to talk about journalism or the business of journalism. I started shooting my own stories for a Scripps-owned paper about four years ago, learning photography on-the-fly. Why? Because newspapers are going broke everywhere. Another reason? Because I learned to pull double-duty, it meant I got paid a little more.

I shot everything with my minimalist kit--city council meetings, high school field and indoor sports, events, property groundbreakings, head and shoulders, real estate, etc . . . 60D/30 1.4/100f2 and later 200 2.8 and 580exii. I became more valuable, and used more often, because I could capture the moment and write about it. Luckily, I had a publisher who was a photographer by trade and he shortened my learning curve . . . and I realize not everyone will have that.

Is that shooting the Super Bowl or Syria? Nope. But it certainly is journalism, which again, is an industry looking to pool resources, save time, and save money whenever possible. I certainly wouldn't take my a6000 into a warzone, or even a stiff rain. But at an NCAA or professional sporting event with ideal lighting and some spare rain protection? Sure, I'll take a swing at it with the an a6300/a7rii combo with proper adapters and glass. Will I win awards for it? Who knows? Will I get a few cover shots? Well, I don't see how any competent sports shooter couldn't . . . let alone a stone-cold pro, which I'll be the first to admit that I am not.

Scout liked me for my breakdowns on linebackers and offensive tackles. But when they saw I had my own--professional quality--captures of two, three and four-star prospects it was major bonus. I helped several under-recruited kids get scholarship offers, partly because I was able to shoot my own prospect evaluations. It has been over two years since I resigned my post, and Scripps since sold the local paper to Gannett, but the paper has continued using the writers in a dual-role . . . even buying gear for them to use.

Could I trade that Canon setup for an a6000 and thrive? You bet I could. I had a spirited conversation with Mystik610 on this subject last year on how the a6000 could/couldn't be a great photojournalism body. Like yourself, I didn't think it would handle well enough in crucial situations to do the job. I was wrong. One valid complaint is the lack of dual card slots, which I didn't have with either of my Canon bodies anyways.

I spent right at $2.3K for my Canon gear.

--A6000 with kit lens, $500
--50 1.8, $120 w/t open box at Best Buy I saw yesterday.
--FE 70-200 F4, $1200
--HVL F43M, $300

Total: $2120

This leaves money to buy plenty of extra batteries and fast SD cards. An extra $375ish gets me a second a6000, $300 for an a5100 if I want to do some on-the-fly video journalism.

I would miss my fast telephoto primes, but it would not stop me from capturing what I needed to go along with my feature, editorial or straight-news story.

There will likely always be a place for the professional sports event photographer or war photojournalist, but as someone who spent a fair amount of time as a journalist I feel it is disingenuous to set the bar there and throw the baby out with the bathwater. For an vast majority of journalism shooters, Sony mirrorless is a very viable--and possibly preferred--option.


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Feb 25, 2016 09:14 as a reply to  @ mickeyb105's post |  #63

Thank you for the kind words. The a6300 may cut the chase, but it's using the same battery. The a6000 isn't ideal for sports just because of the behavior of its burst (images aren't live in burst). It seems like you switched from older generation Canon equipment. Compare like generations and you might have a different impression. I'm sure the a6000 is great for the money, but aside from bang for buck, it wouldn't be my first choice for NCAA division 1 or PAC12. For a journalist at a small newspaper on a small budget (I. E. Replacing old Canon and Nikon equipment), I'm sure it's viable, but it's not ideal, and your supertelephoto options are equally expensive.

I'm not a fan of "multimedia journalism," that's just downsizing. News organizations that don't cut people and costs are the ones that are thriving today, or at least the ones that haven't closed yet. Talent follows money, and readers subscribe for talent/quality journalism.

Btw, you can get a 7d mk ii for $1100 these days after rebate and 70-200 f4 for around $600 and the 50 1.8 stm for about the same price.


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Feb 25, 2016 09:42 as a reply to  @ idkdc's post |  #64

Specialists like yourself have a place, and I have no problem saying that again.

But the trend towards consolidating journalistic responsibilities is one that is gathering momentum and the workforce is adapting to the tiny budgets.

Scripps and Gannett are hardly mom-and-pop presses, but to be sure they still have they D4-armed snipers. If you could crack a newspaper and tell the difference between their captures and my 60D 100 or 200mm prime captures at a high school football game, then you have the keenest of eyes. Same sidelines, same angles, same paper being printed on.

The a6000 walks all over my old 60D, IQ, frame rate and AF. It was an absolute joy shooting from the baseline with it in my lone basketball outing--and I'm not the only one saying this.


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Feb 25, 2016 16:48 |  #65

Cameras don't win these awards. Photogaphers are the winners, and what counts is the courage to deliberately place yourself in harm's way. The pictures aren't judged by technical quality, but rather on the strength of the stories they tell.




  
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Feb 25, 2016 16:57 |  #66

mickeyb105 wrote in post #17912432 (external link)
Specialists like yourself have a place, and I have no problem saying that again.

But the trend towards consolidating journalistic responsibilities is one that is gathering momentum and the workforce is adapting to the tiny budgets.

Scripps and Gannett are hardly mom-and-pop presses, but to be sure they still have they D4-armed snipers. If you could crack a newspaper and tell the difference between their captures and my 60D 100 or 200mm prime captures at a high school football game, then you have the keenest of eyes. Same sidelines, same angles, same paper being printed on.

The a6000 walks all over my old 60D, IQ, frame rate and AF. It was an absolute joy shooting from the baseline with it in my lone basketball outing--and I'm not the only one saying this.

I'm sure it's better than the 60D (I hated the 60D for journalism), but I prefer my D300 and 7D for basketball. I don't think the a6000 would be my first choice over those for sports. I think otherwise it's a great camera for the money for everything else.

On multimedia, I think the companies doing this end up failing, tbh. Or their journalists get treated worse and worse until they leave for other industries.


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Feb 25, 2016 16:58 |  #67

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Cameras don't win these awards. Photogaphers are the winners, and what counts is the courage to deliberately place yourself in harm's way. The pictures aren't judged by technical quality, but rather on the strength of the stories they tell.

Cameras don't win awards, but they can get in the way of telling those stories.


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