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Higher ISO values and where are we going with this?

 
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Feb 26, 2016 08:34 as a reply to  @ post 17913650 |  #31

I didn't think you could get a quality linear polarizer any more, thanks to AF incompatablity. Although the AF of my 300D worked OK when I used my old Cokin Pl with the EF-s 18-55 USM kit lens I had.

Another issue might be adjusting the filter angles with that really deep hood Sigma provide. I guess I will have to go in on Sunday and see what they say. I'll be in Norwich on Sunday anyway, as it's my Vetrens Breakfast Club meeting. A nice fry up, plenty of millitary banter and a trip to the camera shop, a Sunday couldn't really get much better.

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Feb 26, 2016 08:37 |  #32

I definitely want to watch what you come up with. I am not sure I even trust the Sigma 95 filter that came with my 150-600. I haven't done any real testing with it off or on, but I may just remove it and keep the hood on it.


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Feb 26, 2016 10:22 |  #33

Are you able to source this one? B+W 95mm XS-Pro Digital Vario ND with Multi-Resistant Nano Coating
It is not an el cheapo... and I would think it might be available from some major retailer your side of the pond (it is available through Amazon here stateside as well as through B&H photo which I trust a fair bit as well)

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Assuming that you weren't looking for more stops lol - on B&H at least it seems most ND filters for higher stops are special order items.


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Feb 26, 2016 19:37 |  #34

I could use two more stops of sensor sensitivity. For sports, I could use higher ISO to get a faster shutter speed. For marching band and color guard, I'd take it in narrower aperture so I can ensure I get a wider DoF. Two stops would be useful; three or four would be excellent!

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Feb 26, 2016 22:28 as a reply to  @ mathogre's post |  #35

Have you thought about a Sigma 120-300 with a 1.4x TC? You would have more reach and a full stop more light for the sports shooting. Also, why shoot the 70-200 f4L at f5.6 at night? Just curious? I always try to shoot very close to wide open at lower light events and then work through any of the issues after that, so that I don't have motion blur to deal with.


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Feb 26, 2016 23:44 |  #36

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Have you thought about a Sigma 120-300 with a 1.4x TC? You would have more reach and a full stop more light for the sports shooting. Also, why shoot the 70-200 f4L at f5.6 at night? Just curious? I always try to shoot very close to wide open at lower light events and then work through any of the issues after that, so that I don't have motion blur to deal with.

The reason for shooting at f/5.6 is that I'm shooting the marching band. The example photo with the girl from color guard doesn't show what I'm normally shooting. The one below does. All four flute players are in focus. At f/4, the last one or two might not be.

I'm the chairperson for photography and media for our high school marching band. Unlike sports such as soccer where you need to worry about the ball and one or two athletes who are essentially together, with the marching band they are spread out, often along a line not perpendicular to the camera's lens. So it's a choice. I'm on manual, use 1/500s and f/5.6, and then set the ISO based on the stadium lighting. It's like this strange little genre of photography, but it's cool, and they're great kids!

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Feb 26, 2016 23:47 |  #37

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Have you thought about a Sigma 120-300 with a 1.4x TC? You would have more reach and a full stop more light for the sports shooting. Also, why shoot the 70-200 f4L at f5.6 at night? Just curious? I always try to shoot very close to wide open at lower light events and then work through any of the issues after that, so that I don't have motion blur to deal with.

And no, I'd not thought of the Sigma/TC combo. I like Sigma, and have the 12-24. It's just been a matter of money. That said, I'll definitely look into it. :D


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Feb 26, 2016 23:58 |  #38

I know a little bit about marching bands, I ended up shooting 4 years of it, and I was actually a bit glad to be done with it for a while, we didn't know how much time it took from our schedules. What I ended up doing was shooting at f2.8, but I tried to get each kid over the course of the different contests. Since the presentation is basically the same each time, you have an opportunity to get just about every kid, depending on the size of the band, over the course of the contests.

We actually liked the isolation that f2.8 gave us on many of the shots. The close group shots are indeed a challenge. It was fun, I enjoyed doing it, but once it was over, I had alot of time to do other events. :)

I often shot at 12800 at f2.8 just to get the look I wanted, but it did mean isolation of the various band members. Having a stop or 2 would indeed allow more versatility in getting larger groups.

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Feb 27, 2016 17:48 |  #39

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I know a little bit about marching bands, I ended up shooting 4 years of it, and I was actually a bit glad to be done with it for a while, we didn't know how much time it took from our schedules. What I ended up doing was shooting at f2.8, but I tried to get each kid over the course of the different contests. Since the presentation is basically the same each time, you have an opportunity to get just about every kid, depending on the size of the band, over the course of the contests.

We actually liked the isolation that f2.8 gave us on many of the shots. The close group shots are indeed a challenge. It was fun, I enjoyed doing it, but once it was over, I had alot of time to do other events. :)

I often shot at 12800 at f2.8 just to get the look I wanted, but it did mean isolation of the various band members. Having a stop or 2 would indeed allow more versatility in getting larger groups.

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I love these! It's like being back on the field and in the pit. :D

I grok the time. For the remainder of this school year, we've got the spring trip, spring concerts, and a final award banquet. It starts all over again in August with band camp and then the whole marching band season. It will be my fourth year. I do enjoy it though.

Yes, f/2.8 will definitely give you the isolation. I still like a wider DoF, but you really do have nice photos from that. I'd shoot marching band with you anytime! There are, let's say, one or two in my group who haven't quite mastered the craft of photography.

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Feb 27, 2016 18:05 as a reply to  @ mathogre's post |  #40

Great shots of the band there! We had the same situation, many of the shooters were sporting rebels and kit lenses. :(

Not much you are going to do for the night contests with that kind of equipment unfortunately. Love the drama/stage shots too!


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Feb 29, 2016 18:42 |  #41

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I can go all the way to 1/3200s on my X-E2 now, though I can't imagine when I'll ever need to.

I can already go all the way to 1/16000s using the electronic shutter on all of my Panasonic bodies. It's certainly very useful.

I want to be able to shoot longer exposures with more blur though, so it's not a replacement for lower ISO or ND filters...


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I can go all the way to 1/3200s on my X-E2 now, though I can't imagine when I'll ever need to.

1/3200 isn't very fast, though.
Is that a typo? Did you mean to type 1/32,000?

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Feb 29, 2016 20:46 |  #43

Tom Reichner wrote in post #17918336 (external link)
1/3200 isn't very fast, though.
Is that a typo? Did you mean to type 1/32,000?

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