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Feb 26, 2016 15:44 |  #751

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Im hoping they make some significant improvements for the 5D4. I really Dont care what they do. I have been perfectly happy with the 5D3,s. But , im gonna love these improvements that the 1Dx2 offers. Frankly, you cant buy a bad camera right now for professional use. They are light years ahead of what we did just 4 yrs ago.

I Miss the build and the AF of the 1D series. I like my 5D3. Really missed the 1DMKIV when i sold off and went all 5D3 for our needs. At one point we ran 3 5D3 bodies so its not like I hate the 5D3. I dont. Its a great camera. So hoping the 5D4 sees significant changes. I do not see them crippling the 5D4 but I do see this technology thats in the D5 and 1Dx2 to remain in the top line bodies. D750 is a great camera. I have shot with it. ISO is awesome on the camera. Its Nikons answer to the 5D3 with some improvements over the 5D3.

I think Canon will get the 5D4 another step above the D750for features and AF and i think all the Mfgs will now makes changes to these bodies that their core buyers want and continue to lock them into their brands. I know everybody wants a 5D4 thats going to do what a 1Dx2 does for $2995.00.....I dont think its gonna happen. I think canon will up the ISO another 3/4 stop and get 12800 fairly usable on this next update and probably very similar the the current 1Dx1 as far as sensor performance. But its not going to be the 1Dx2 performance both in terms of ISO and AF features. Its not now with the current bodies and that will continue with this next update.

My guess/realistic hope is that the 5D4 will have what is essentially the 1Dx II AF system - albeit with some deficiencies; probably the same hardware but with some f/8 AF points disabled, fewer DIGIC processors (like the 1Dx vs 5D3), and therefore probably not quite as quick (at AF).

Maybe it'll have 4K video - it would seem sensible given the 5D's historical use in this area. Maybe just 30 fps (as 60 fps MJPEG would be too much for CF cards). Maybe they'll go for CFast and SD, but I suspect CF and SD would be more likely.

Dual Pixel looks very likely. High ISO will be a bit worse than the 1Dx II, and obviously frame rate and buffer depth will be nowhere near.

As for MP, probably 24MP-28MP (I'm hoping the high end). Here's a totally crazy suggestion: the 5D3's 22MP sensor had a resolution (width) of 5760 pixels; exactly three times the 1920 pixels of HD video (I assume this might have been to make downsampling the frames easier). A 25MP sensor would have a width of roughly 6144 pixels - exactly 1.5x the 4096 pixel resolution of 4K video. I understand the 1Dx II takes a crop from the sensor for 4K, but that might be a way of getting a decent full frame 4K image. Purely speculation on my part.


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Feb 26, 2016 15:50 |  #752

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Canon has never been shy to bring new tech to the non-flagship model. Just look at the 70D w/ dual pixel AF, which I think was the first to have dual-pixel (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.)

I thought they traditionally had been shy. In fact, it was a frequent criticism I used to hear that they seemed to deliberately disable features from higher models that would easily have been possible on lower end models.

The 7D was the first non-1D to get a truly great AF system (the 5D2 at the time being heavily criticised). The 5D3 was a bit of a revelation re the AF system (same as the 1Dx, minus only the iTR feature). Fortunately they do seem to have changed - the 7DII was very impressive, and I'm amazed at what they've put into the 80D - things (multiple AF points at f/8) only available in the new 1Dx II... in a midrange body. I'm hoping that bodes well for the 5D4.


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Feb 26, 2016 15:54 |  #753

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Speaking as such a photog, I like the idea of owning 1 of each - as long as the camera's have identical, or nearly identical, layouts from a button perspective so that no thinking is required. There are certain types of pictures, that I will always want as many pixels as possible, but if the 5D4 gets 28 megapixels or so, that will do for the 80% - especially if the buffer issue exists as it does with the 5DSR. Bridal portraits and big family portraits that can get ordered as very large prints favours the 5DSR type camera.

I suspect the 5DM4 might very well be the last of the 5D line-up, just like how the 1D (aps-h) went by way of the dodo bird. Since the 6D is the intro FF. There's not too many reasons for the 5D to exist. 7D2 will beat it for sports (anti-flicker for stadium 10fps, larger buffer), the 1DX torches it for just about anything else except resolution and silent shutter. So might as well go with the 5DS line-up from this point forward, super-high resolution for those who need it. And those who don't... well, shoot mRAW or just shoot full and downsize. :D

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Feb 26, 2016 16:22 |  #754

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #17914088 (external link)
Speaking as such a photog, I like the idea of owning 1 of each - as long as the camera's have identical, or nearly identical, layouts from a button perspective so that no thinking is required. There are certain types of pictures, that I will always want as many pixels as possible, but if the 5D4 gets 28 megapixels or so, that will do for the 80% - especially if the buffer issue exists as it does with the 5DSR. Bridal portraits and big family portraits that can get ordered as very large prints favours the 5DSR type camera.


Big prints can be ordered with a 20MP sensor as well. I seriously dont need nor want to mess with the bigger files. 5D3 is plenty, 38MP is overkill for weddings. 80% of us design albums and M raw is more than enough. Most brides rarely order above 16x24. Parents may order slightly bigger but rarely. This sensor on the 1Dx2 is probably a perfect size. Most of us are not shooting and cropping into a file like you would for wildlife stuff. If I had a 28MP sensor I would be in Mraw 90% of the time. As it is now with the 5D3, I switch it to full raw for formals and usually Mraw for receptions and getting ready work. Really No need for a bigger file for most of us.

I plan on keeping my lowest count 5D3, use the 7D2 and 1Dx2 and 5D3 for all the needs of a wedding.


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Feb 26, 2016 16:41 |  #755

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yes but it kind of removes the pro argument of having a camera having 2 card slots as some may just use one due to the cf slot crippling buffer and fps speeds when used along with the cfast :(


I don't know, every Canon DSLR that has had two cards thus far has had a "Pro" CF card slot and a slow as molasses consumer SD card slot. In none of the previous models has this attribute been seen to remove the cameras pro status.


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Feb 26, 2016 16:44 |  #756

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17914178 (external link)
I don't know, every Canon DSLR that has had two cards thus far has had a "Pro" CF card slot and a slow as molasses consumer SD card slot. In none of the previous models has this attribute been seen to remove the cameras pro status.

The 7D II takes advantage of recent memory card technology: SD cards with UHS-I (SDR104) and CF cards with UDMA 7, allowing theoretical maximum write speeds of 104MB/s and 167MB/s, respectively. SD slots don't have to be slow. The only camera with 2 slots that seems crippled to me anyways, is the 5D3. However as you point out, it doesn't take away from its pro status, it is a camera used by many a pro shooter.


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Feb 26, 2016 17:24 |  #757

Whats going on with the current 1Dx. They are both CF. I dont recall reading any issues of it being super slow with both cards recording ???


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Feb 26, 2016 17:42 |  #758

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Whats going on with the current 1Dx. They are both CF. I dont recall reading any issues of it being super slow with both cards recording ???

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Feb 26, 2016 17:48 |  #759

umphotography wrote in post #17914214 (external link)
Whats going on with the current 1Dx. They are both CF. I dont recall reading any issues of it being super slow with both cards recording ???

It's not slow. The dual CF slots are pretty quick with good cards. The 1Dx does, however, have a fairly limited buffer so card write speeds do become an issue fairly quickly.

The Mark II improves on this greatly, from what I'm reading, and it's an upgrade I was hoping for. That and my headphone jack for video recording. :-P


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Feb 26, 2016 19:20 |  #760

Erik S. Klein wrote in post #17914228 (external link)
It's not slow. The dual CF slots are pretty quick with good cards. The 1Dx does, however, have a fairly limited buffer so card write speeds do become an issue fairly quickly.

The Mark II improves on this greatly, from what I'm reading, and it's an upgrade I was hoping for. That and my headphone jack for video recording. :-P

Agreed. Speed is not the problem with the CF cards on the 1DX. It is the size of the buffer. Only 30 shots or so.


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Feb 26, 2016 19:28 |  #761

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Oh yeah, I forgot about 1Dx.. DUH!


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Feb 26, 2016 21:21 as a reply to  @ rdalrt's post |  #762

True but you get more than that in practice.
My 1DX is set to 10 FPS and I get 53+ RAW files before it slows, cards are a pair of Lexar 1000x 32GB. Plenty of buffer for my uses and, more importantly it clears very quickly.
For my, wildlife, uses the C Fast option is just an added expense - but more is better so I am not whinging too much.


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Feb 27, 2016 00:20 |  #763

Today sitting in the blind, 7Dii on a hawk, me waiting for him to spring into flight.
At 10 fps I got 6 images via the narrow window I had to shoot through before he was
out of bounds. I think the extra 4 fps will be most helpful in getting that many more poses.
I could use a lot more on the ISO end too but what really would have helped today was
more light period....I used to think a cloud followed me everywhere, then one day I realized
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Feb 27, 2016 00:56 |  #764

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Today sitting in the blind, 7Dii on a hawk, me waiting for him to spring into flight.
At 10 fps I got 6 images via the narrow window I had to shoot through before he was
out of bounds. I think the extra 4 fps will be most helpful in getting that many more poses.
I could use a lot more on the ISO end too but what really would have helped today was
more light period....I used to think a cloud followed me everywhere, then one day I realized
I live inside of one :)
Mwsilver- the backyard is 200,000 acres of nat. forest .

I hope you have a gardener to prune your trees. :-)


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Feb 27, 2016 01:19 |  #765

Although I have not ruled out getting this camera, for birds its not much of a upgrade the silent shutter will be loud and only 2mp more I would have liked it to be around 28mp

So for me its how much better the AF and noise is over the 1dx .

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