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Feb 27, 2016 15:35 |  #211

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Usually yes. But something that is a hard value, like the AF system that already exists in other cameras, but being put into the 80D, and the features mentioned above, are all just features of a current really great AF system that the 80D gets to partake in.

I already feel the 80D making my 7D2 into an antique. Wider-than-centerpoint f/8 is interesting. Higher base ISO DR is interesting - it would allow use of HTP plus -1EC all the time, for a review image that is always dark but not too dark to check, and giving two stops of headroom. The biggest thing to get me to give up the 7D2 FPS and build in favor of the 80D would be high-ISO read noise. If it is 1/4 stop less than the 7D2; no big deal. 2/3 stop or a full stop, though, would be substantial. A stop would put the 80D in the A7s class, noisewise (without Sony RAW cooking), for focal-length-limited shooting, with more resolution to resist heavy NR. It would be the most noiseless APS-C bird camera by a good margin. I haven't heard of anyone measuring the noise though.

Almost everyone who gets their hands on pre-production cameras usually takes shots and comments on the OOC JPEGs. I would be diving right into the black-masked areas at the left of the RAW image and measuring the blackframe noise, and maybe assessing the strength of the AA filter. The 7D2's is a little too strong for shooting with TCs, IMO.




  
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Feb 27, 2016 15:37 |  #212

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We ain't got time for those trivial matters after the release. We will be too busy whining about focus and exposure issues then. And that doesn't even get us started on the whining about pushing exposure 9 stops in PP and getting banding.

Banding could come back a little. If they lower ISO 100 total read noise by 2.5 stops but only lower banding by 1.5 stops, the banding would be more visible, but only in darker areas than you would otherwise have looked with older cameras.




  
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Feb 27, 2016 16:28 |  #213

John Sheehy wrote in post #17915304 (external link)
I already feel the 80D making my 7D2 into an antique. Wider-than-centerpoint f/8 is interesting. Higher base ISO DR is interesting - it would allow use of HTP plus -1EC all the time, for a review image that is always dark but not too dark to check, and giving two stops of headroom. The biggest thing to get me to give up the 7D2 FPS and build in favor of the 80D would be high-ISO read noise. If it is 1/4 stop less than the 7D2; no big deal. 2/3 stop or a full stop, though, would be substantial. A stop would put the 80D in the A7s class, noisewise (without Sony RAW cooking), for focal-length-limited shooting, with more resolution to resist heavy NR. It would be the most noiseless APS-C bird camera by a good margin. I haven't heard of anyone measuring the noise though.

Almost everyone who gets their hands on pre-production cameras usually takes shots and comments on the OOC JPEGs. I would be diving right into the black-masked areas at the left of the RAW image and measuring the blackframe noise, and maybe assessing the strength of the AA filter. The 7D2's is a little too strong for shooting with TCs, IMO.

I must admit I was extremely surprised by the features Canon have put into the 80D; as far as I know, it and the 1Dx II are the only Canon bodies with AF at f/8 at more than the centre point. About the only thing it seems to be missing vs the 7D2 (apart from fps) is iTR.

If Canon have cracked their low ISO DR issues (in the 1Dx II; which looks likely), and if this camera shares that same trait, I can see it being a not-insignificant milestone (given all its other capabilities for its target mid-range class).


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Feb 27, 2016 17:53 |  #214

I can tell you I'm holding-off on buying a 6D until I see some raws from the 80D.


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Feb 27, 2016 18:58 |  #215

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I can tell you I'm holding-off on buying a 6D until I see some raws from the 80D.

I imagine the 80D features will be found in the 6D Mark II


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Feb 27, 2016 20:41 |  #216

Maybe. But the 6D2 is probably a year or more away.


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Feb 27, 2016 20:43 |  #217

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Maybe. But the 6D2 is probably a year or more away.

True. You can upgrade from the 80D to the 6D2 then. :)


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Feb 27, 2016 21:16 |  #218

Probably. Or 5D4, which should be out sooner. But more expensive.


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Feb 27, 2016 21:18 |  #219

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Probably. Or 5D4, which should be out sooner. But more expensive.

You should get some more glass at that time. 5D3+ is always more fun with better glass. :D


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Feb 27, 2016 21:59 |  #220

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I can tell you I'm holding-off on buying a 6D until I see some raws from the 80D.

One is not an improvement over the other, no matter in what order. They are quite different cameras, a FF and a crop. That's why I have both, the 6D and the 7DII. Yes, I am fortunate enough to afford both.


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Feb 28, 2016 00:26 as a reply to  @ Lbsimon's post |  #221

They are both cameras, they both record stills and video. On FF I would use a 24-70/2.8 and a 16-35/2.8 as my main lenses. On crop I use a 17-55/2.8 and a Tokina 11-16/2.8. These lenses are generally equivalent in view, IQ and performance. There are some inherent differences in depth-of-field and noise performance; all other things equal, full-frame cameras can provide tighter depth-of-field and lower noise than crop-sensor cameras. Every other difference can be accommodated by lens selection and settings.

It's not just a matter of camera cost. A 6D is only $1100 or so right now. The problem is the overall cost of supporting a second sensor format. There are things that the 70D does that the 6D cannot do. Not because the 6D is full-frame. But because of the features Canon chose to implement -- or not implement -- on the 6D. To shoot with a 6D will require a 24-70 and a 16-35, so that's $2500 worth of glass (and no IS on either lens, which is a huge deficiency when it comes to shooting video). The 6D is lacking when it comes to action and video, so we'd still need to carry the 70D, 17-55/2.8IS and Tokina 11-16/2.8, which means adding a third equipment case. The extra body and lenses will increase insurance and maintenance costs about 30% per year.


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Mar 17, 2016 12:21 as a reply to  @ post 17902978 |  #222

hopefully this will be a great upgrade from a 50D


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Mar 17, 2016 12:22 |  #223

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hopefully this will be a great upgrade from a 50D

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Mar 17, 2016 13:17 as a reply to  @ morpheus6d9's post |  #224

Since the 70D was a great upgrade over the 50D, the 80D will definitely be. There really wasn't too much change from the 20D to 50D, other than resolution, spot metering, live view, MFA, custom slots, and a larger but still crappy rear LCD. Nothing really different with AF, ISO, etc.


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Mar 17, 2016 14:29 |  #225

I just wish mine would ship already. :-|


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