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Mar 09, 2016 08:13 |  #1036

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It's only unfair if you for some reason would like the mirrorless to win. Otherwise it's an evaluation to see what does the job, and in this case the DSLR was found to do it better. Reading your comments, I think that result was obvious to you before he even started, but it may not be to everyone. Myself, I do have a 1DX, but I can admit I'm not that well up to speed on exactly what a mirrorless can do today. And what it can't. So not an unfair comparison, but a good piece of information for some of us.

but teamspeed said he wasnt making a comparison. you and i both know he was.. That is most of what this debate between me and teamspeed is about.

he thinks there was no comparision, just a test?? but there is a comparison that was made


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Mar 09, 2016 08:14 as a reply to  @ post 17929083 |  #1037

Exactly. I have held many cameras, and something like the 7D2/5D3 fits my hand nearly perfectly. Even the SL1, which has a larger body than many of the mirrorless, is uncomfortable to use for me, I have to be a contortionist to use it. When you shoot around people milling around carelessly, you want to have a very good grip on your camera gear. One more reason I love hand straps, both for easing hand fatigue with long lenses, and for security.


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Mar 09, 2016 08:17 as a reply to  @ jonneymendoza's post |  #1038

You completely missed my point. The comparison was made to style and form of camera (ergonomics, size, etc), not features. That is a fair assessment. Comparing feature and performance is a different type of comparison, and that was not the intent of that reply from what I can tell.

Let's just agree to disagree, it was his assessment for his own opinion, and it cannot be called unfair since he figured out what was best for him.


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Mar 09, 2016 08:17 |  #1039

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Bob: I think I want to add TV viewing in my basement. So I looked at TVs and projectors. I decided a projector was better.

Johnny: That isn't an apples to apples comparison, each one is vastly different in what they offer and how you use them. You cannot compare televisions to projectors.

Bob: For what I watch, and how I have my setup, the projector is better.

Johnny: That is simply an unfair assessment. For playing video games, TVs are just better.

Bob: Who said anything about looking at this system just for playing video games? I know what I watch, I know my own setup, and I know my needs. The projector will work better for me.

Johnny: Well, IMO you are just not really making a good comparison or analysis of the 2. Until they make a projector that has the contrasts, refresh rates, doesn't need bulbs after 3000 viewing hours, and smart app support of a television, you cannot compare them.

I am pretty sure Bob knows what he wants here, and which setup will work best. I am also sure Bob isn't telling the masses that these are equal and the projector is just better when you compare capabilities/features. For his room and his use and his desires, the projector fits his space and needs better. ;)

There is no point going further because you stated clearly that the bloke wasn't comparing yet now you are changing your tune.

I stand by what i said, its unfair to compare mirrorless to dslr for sports action photography and that is my opinion, not factual and there hasnt been no indication by you or others that make me change my mind.


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Mar 09, 2016 08:19 as a reply to  @ jonneymendoza's post |  #1040

You quoted me at the same time as I had changed my reply a bit to clarify. You are still hung up on the very original reply. This was the changed text just as you submitted your reply to me back then. Perhaps you missed the clarification edit.

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He's not comparing them as equal replacements, he just tested several bodies, and stated how he seemed to like the DSLR design over mirrorless design for his own personal use.


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Mar 09, 2016 08:20 |  #1041

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But, he also said he preferred the D500 to the 6300. That IS an apples/apples comparison. Nikon and Sony's top aps-c sensor fast-shooting cameras. And, regardless, I see nothing wrong with stating a preference for a DSLR body over the available mirrorless options. :)

It would be nice, though, to see a larger Sony FF mirorless option. Since it is clear that mirrorless does not enjoy any size advantage over DSLR with lenses, why not go ahead and make a bigger body to be more proportionally sized?

Mirrorless are smaller and slower and not as robust as a dslr for sports and there is no tele lenses above 200mm to support any mirrorlesss setup for IQ and AF.


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Mar 09, 2016 08:21 |  #1042

Sorry guys, but this argument over semantics is going nowhere and has the potential of getting testy and unpleasant.


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Mar 09, 2016 08:23 as a reply to  @ mwsilver's post |  #1043

Bah, neither of us will get ugly, and my editted clarification on the reply that ruffled feathers should be sufficient. :)

Now, make insults about my dog, and we might have a fight. :lol:

Once we get a full frame sensor of the 1DX2 on a phone, then it's the end of the world as we know it. Mirrorless, and portable, and always accessible... Speaking of that, I wonder how the Light camera (external link) is doing?


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Mar 09, 2016 08:43 |  #1044

Ok fair enough teamspeed i did not read your edited post.

Anyways back on topic.

I may be attending the photography show hosted in birmingham England and i think they may have a 1dxmk2 to play with


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Mar 09, 2016 09:10 |  #1045

From Andy Rouse on Facebook this morning: I took many pics on this trek (FotoBuzzers your daily fiary will be up tonight) but these are two of my favourites. Feet I hear you say?? Take a careful look. Then look at your feet and hands. Are they so different? Look at the nails, the joints. I have more hair on mine yes but they look so similar. So everytime you wonder about why we should spend money and effort conserving the great apes, remember these shots. Because they aren't just great apes, they are our natural cousins. Think on that one for a while.
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Mar 09, 2016 16:42 |  #1046

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... remember these shots. Because they aren't just great apes, they are our natural cousins. Think on that one for a while.

Hear hear!
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I won't get into what I take of that quote as I don't want to trigger a religious interpretation debate, but let's just say those authors knew a lot more about the nature of things than we often give them credit.


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Mar 09, 2016 17:15 |  #1047

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That seriously looks like a human hand.

My personal attitude has changed tremendously over the last few years about 'animals'. I have come to the point where I believe there is little to no meaningful difference between any animal and a human.


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Mar 09, 2016 17:21 |  #1048

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That seriously looks like a human hand.

My personal attitude has changed tremendously over the last few years about 'animals'. I have come to the point where I believe there is little to no meaningful difference between any animal and a human.


For the most part, animals act more human :) Kidding, but at least their behavior is predictable more often.


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Mar 09, 2016 17:22 as a reply to  @ wallstreetoneil's post |  #1049

Unfortunately the big difference is that directly or indirectly we are killing them! We have the most advanced (?) brains and we have used them to dominate this planet at the expense of other species.
Don't get me wrong I am not a blinkered tree hugger but we (humans) have gone too far and are only now starting to question our actions. Let's hope it's not too late.............


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Mar 09, 2016 18:39 as a reply to  @ jonneymendoza's post |  #1050

No tele above 200mm ????
No big deal but this shot taken this weekend by my she-boss with a 300mm Olympus-

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the Lumix system cameras.

Believe me I know all too well the limitations of mirrorless having seven bodies within arms
reach, but I also know the positives as well. I'm just glad I get to enjoy mirrorless and DSLR.


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