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Mar 09, 2016 13:48 |  #1

Hi, I no this is more close up photography rather than out and out Macro but on a tight budget and already owning a true Macro lens what other lens would you carry in your bag?
Before the question comes up. my interest is in flower/s and plants.
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Mar 09, 2016 13:50 |  #2

Crop or FF?

Are you asking about a lens for general walk-around photography that might also be used for close-up photography?


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Mar 09, 2016 13:52 |  #3

I'm not sure what the question is. If you already own a macro lens, why not use that? If you are looking for light-weight, effective, inexpensive alternative, the 18-55 STM and 25mm extension tube will get you all the way to 1:1 (true macro). Lighting is a struggle. The working distance is only a few millimeters.




  
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Mar 09, 2016 14:13 |  #4

Hi, thank you for the replies.
I have both FF and Crop cameras.
Been looking at images of the full head of flowers rather than right down in stamen area, I have the older version of the Tamron 90mm Macro lens but just looking at an alternative for shooting the heads.
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Mar 09, 2016 14:15 |  #5

I would go something wider for flowers/fields, etc. Also, I would want to be able to restrict DOF. So perhaps consider the Sigma 18-35 f1.8?


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Mar 09, 2016 14:33 |  #6

Flowers taken with an EF 16-35 f/4L: https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=17924929
Don't know how much you're looking to spend, though. For a more shallow DoF, Sigma 35mm f/1.4?

They're both lovely lenses on a FF for landscapes, and if you come across flowers that you'd like to shoot closer up, I think either would fit the bill nicely.

EDIT: Sorry, just reread your post, and "tight budget." :oops:


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Mar 10, 2016 00:36 |  #7

I have the newish sigma 105 OS for natural light shooting of larger insects and flowers. The OS comes in very useful for handheld low light shooting. I use that instead of my older Tamron 90
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Mar 10, 2016 04:10 |  #8

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I have the newish sigma 105 OS for natural light shooting of larger insects and flowers. The OS comes in very useful for handheld low light shooting. I use that instead of my older Tamron 90
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Hi, Thanks for the reply.
I was looking at one of these but thought that 105mm was to close to the 90mm and wondered if a 180mmwould be a better option?
Has your 90mm gone to the back shelf in favour of the 105mm?
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PS. just noticed you live in Worthing.
Me, ex Brighton man.


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Mar 10, 2016 06:15 as a reply to  @ russellsnr2's post |  #9

So you are looking for another macro lens? Why? All the longer focal lengths do is give you more working distance at 1:1. If you want a fuller view of a flower with your macro, then just move back.

Your macro lens is only a true 1:1 macro lens when you are at its minimum focusing distance. If you move back from that, you now just have a regular sharp prime to shoot whatever you want.

It sounds like perhaps you may not be aware of this?

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Mar 10, 2016 10:55 |  #10
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A 70-200mm zoom, and a set of extension tubes. You can use the zoom without the tubes to isolate flowers using shallow DOF. You can then use the extension tubes to get close if you need to.


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Mar 10, 2016 12:16 |  #11

Hi, Many thanks for ALL the input.
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Mar 10, 2016 12:40 |  #12

Heya,

It really comes down to what kind of "look" you want.

You already have a 90mm macro lens. So you already can do large flowers at close range with really creamy backgrounds. And you can do small flowers, stopped down, at near minimum focus distance (near 1:1 if small enough of a flower) and also get creamy backgrounds. You already have a very good lens for what you're doing.

So really, what look do you want to add to the bag? Are you wanting to do large flowers with less working distance (that would call for a wider angle, or shorter focal length, lens)? Are you wanting a longer lens to reach out from farther away (telephoto, like a 180mm or longer)?

I use basically any focal length and I simply use perspective and distance to generate a composition and background that I like, with the flower in mind. Anything from 35mm to 360mm (180 with 2.0x TC) in my bag for this. And I very often do it on APS-C, sometimes on full frame. So really I am used to working with long reach even for flowers, often tiny ones, or simply from a distance for the look.

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The way I see it, you already have a fast telephoto for natural light and/or 1:1 reproduction if needed.

So I would take a wider lens, something like 35mm or 28mm as the next lens.

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russellsnr2 wrote in post #17930205 (external link)
Hi, Thanks for the reply.
I was looking at one of these but thought that 105mm was to close to the 90mm and wondered if a 180mmwould be a better option?
Has your 90mm gone to the back shelf in favour of the 105mm?
Thanks again
Russ
PS. just noticed you live in Worthing.
Me, ex Brighton man.

Yes the Tamron is on the back shelf together with my very old sigma 105 non OS.

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Mar 11, 2016 01:21 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #14

Hi, thankyou for your input. I note that you seem in favour of the use of flash may I ask do you balance the flash with the ambient light or find that a little over is a better option. I have bought a Yongnuo ring flash along with the 90mm lens also have there 600ex flash.
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Mar 12, 2016 02:54 |  #15

russellsnr2 wrote in post #17931296 (external link)
Hi, thankyou for your input. I note that you seem in favour of the use of flash may I ask do you balance the flash with the ambient light or find that a little over is a better option. I have bought a Yongnuo ring flash along with the 90mm lens also have there 600ex flash.
Again Thank you.
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Not sure if you were aiming at me but Yes I do use flash a lot for shooting at 1:1 or higher mags but use natural light at lower mags. No I don't often bother balancing natural and flash except when shooting backlit subjects like dragonflies. With flash I often try and make sure there is some background close to the subject but I'm not totally averse to black backgrounds.

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