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Mar 21, 2016 15:07 |  #15061

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Having dismissed 5DSR due to A7RII's killer specs and better dynamic range last summer, I never looked back... until now thanks to your [now seemingly retracted] announcement to ditch the A7RII that got me thinking differently. I have been mulling about my camera gear roadmap and I think I hit a eureka moment over the weekend.
I have two completely different needs for my professional practice: one architectural and interiors, and another birthdays and events. I have been leaning towards expanding Sony setup, especially since their 24-70 G Master announcement. It would make the A7RII the prime and 5DIII as the secondary for both events as well as architectural shooting. However, it meant that I would end up with redundant 24-70 lenses because of the EF24-70 II that I already own and I would not give that lens up so readily - one could use EF on a Sony but not FE on a Canon. Also, in my latest architectural assignment, the A7RII + TS-E17 setup created some really horrendous internal reflections that was a real pain to deal with in the PP.

That's when your decision to go with the 5DSR prompted me to look into it once again - the price has gone down since its release thanks to tepid demand, and it is now available on Canon's refurb site. I've re-read some in-depth reviews and downloaded RAW files taken by 5DSR to compare with those I've taken with A7RII. There is some indescribable allure to the images taken with 5DSR that I do not see with A7RII - it could be color rendition, or contrast, or a combination of both but there's a sense that 5DSR images capture the quality of atmosphere that no camera of mine could. It's quite true that .ARW file has more latitude thanks to its greater dynamic range than .CR2. Then again, I realized that the process I use in Lightroom and Photoshop to adjust the exposure, especially in the shadows is pretty much similar whether I do it from a single file or from using multiple files.

Instead of another 24-70, I could get 5DSR and go with 5DIII (primary) + A7RII for events (matched with 24-70L II and 16-35IS L and/or FE55, respectively) and 5DSR (primary) + A7RII for architecture. It would mean I'd be spending approx $1K more but I'm planning on selling FE90Macro for now (and eventually reacquire Canon's 100L macro). 90 Macro is a great lens but I can't get used to focus by wire especially at close range and the fact that Sony still does not supply adapter ring with their macro lights to fit this particular lens (sold separately through convoluted supply channel) is making me go back to Canon. It also makes sense since I already own Canon's macro ring light which I jury-rigged to FE90 - something I do not have to do for 100L.

A7RII remains as a capable all-rounder, which is what this camera is all about - not necessarily jack of all trades master of none, but more an overachieving eager beaver. If I needed to travel light, this with FE55 and FE24-240 (dog of a lens compared to others but ultimate travel companion that did so well on my trips taken in 2015) would be a perfect setup and also very capable as a daily shooter.

Good to have you stick around. If you are serious about selling the 35L II, let me know what price you are thinking. I have a friend who is lusting after a copy and I've been telling him to wait until it appears on Canon refurb site to save some $. However, it'll probably be another few months until first refurb copies would appear, given it took first refurb offerings of 100-400L II to appear about 10 months since its announcement in November 2014 (35L II, iirc, was August 2015).

I like your plans; makes total sense to me. Obviously, if I got as far as posting my a7R II for sale it should speak volumes of my enthusiasm for the 5DS R. It is simply way better than the reviews would suggest.

Color, however, is actually THE reason I couldn't bring myself to sell the a7R II. I love the color from the 5DS R as well, but it is very different. The 5DS R color feels the more "realistic" or "natural" to me. But, the a7R II color has a dreamy hyper-real, almost illustration-like artistic quality to it. And I am simply nuts about!

But, back to your ideas, yeah absolutely: get yourself a 5DS R. It is fantastic; it is THE ideal body for TS-E shooting. :)


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Mar 21, 2016 15:10 |  #15062

Just returned from 2 days backpacking in the snow and always miss a lot.
I'm glad you came to your senses David ;)
I think your real problem will be when the A7Riii is released at Christmas Ha!
Just teasing but you never know.


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Mar 21, 2016 18:55 |  #15063

David Arbogast wrote in post #17943017 (external link)
Sellers remorse: After posting my a7R II for sale, and after rejecting and ignoring all reasonable offers for three straight days, I've decided I can't bring myself to let that camera go. Looks like I'm going to stay in the club. :)

If I don't sell the camera, though, I've at least got to sell something to offest my new-to-me TS-E 17mm. Probably going to be the Canon 35L II. Love that lens, but it isn't essential for my needs. The TS-Es and the zooms are essential and I am too emotionally attached to the Otus to sell those. My 135mm will be sold as soon as some others sell theirs on FM (don't want to sell until the resale market desaturates a bit more).

YAY! I really feel like sending you my 24TSEii and comlite (unflocked) to play with and just see if you still have issues. .... I am the worst at selling stuff. I have a HUGE box of what was supposed to be sold stuff.


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Mar 21, 2016 18:59 |  #15064

I joined sony support.... $100 bucks. They were supposed to send me a gift package but are back ordered and no clue when they will have more... but they were "glad to have me on board".... yeah any time someone takes a $100 bucks I am sure they are glad.

We will see


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Mar 21, 2016 19:18 |  #15065

eriet30 wrote in post #17943646 (external link)
YAY! I really feel like sending you my 24TSEii and comlite (unflocked) to play with and just see if you still have issues. .... I am the worst at selling stuff. I have a HUGE box of what was supposed to be sold stuff.

Haha...I'm too quick sometimes with the sales trigger...trying to slow it down. I think my trouble is that I get enamored with a LOT of different lenses and just like to try stuff out. Today I was counting up all the different 35mm lenses I have owned/rented: Seven (one was rented)! Crazy.

Sorry to say, but I am just not happy with the TS-Es on the a7 platform - don't know if it's only the adapter or perhaps the ray angle from the TS-E 24mm II not being ideal with the sensor stack or what.

Had a comical error today. I did a "unboxing" of my a7R II and took it and the Otus 55mm out for the afternoon and I forgot to set it to record in raw [Insert head-slap emoji here]. So, these were captured as jpegs. Grrr. Oh well, no harm - they're just casual snap shots anyway. Impressively the SOOC jpgs had perfect histograms (no missing highlights/shadow detail).

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Mar 21, 2016 20:21 |  #15066

I'm very envious of the area you now live in David for all the photo opportunities it's providing you.

Grilled and hickory smoked a nice thick ribeye steak for dinner tonight.

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Looks just right to me!

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Mar 21, 2016 20:26 |  #15067

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I'm very envious of the area you now live in David for all the photo opportunities it's providing you.

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Oh goodness, but I can practically taste my screen. Delicious!

[Comfortable] Camping season is here!!! Working right now on planning a trip for the Blue Ridge Mountains in NE Georgia - so excited to get that whole regional travel-photography thing really going. :)


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navydoc wrote in post #17943745 (external link)
I'm very envious of the area you now live in David for all the photo opportunities it's providing you.

me too... there is nothing in craptastic Illinois...


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Mar 21, 2016 20:57 |  #15069

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me too... there is nothing in craptastic Illinois...

What part of Illinois? Chicago is architectural photography paradise. :)


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David Arbogast wrote in post #17943788 (external link)
What part of Illinois? Chicago is architectural photography paradise. :)

that not really my thing... not a big fan of Chicago, and with current level of violence and shootings not a place i'm interested in going to.

would prefer to have access to places like in your photos.


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Mar 21, 2016 22:12 |  #15071

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that not really my thing... not a big fan of Chicago, and with current level of violence and shootings not a place i'm interested in going to.

would prefer to have access to places like in your photos.

I used to frequent Chicago for work...was right around then time I had I just gotten into photography. I have some nice shots from that time but yeah...wish I could visit more often now. The winters suck though.


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Mar 21, 2016 22:39 |  #15072

Ok finally gave up on buying a long lens. Im going to be patient. really. Will just do manual with the Tammy 200-400 for now when I need 400.

I just know SOMEONE will make a long lens for E mount this year...right????!!!!!!​?????


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Mar 21, 2016 22:52 |  #15073

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Mar 21, 2016 23:53 |  #15074

I will be leaving the A7 club. Had some more issues with my A7R II on a shoot tonight. This time the hotshoe was freaking out on me and not firing my triggers. It's possible it was the Pocket Wizards, but I never had this problem with my 5D3 before I sold it.

Now do I buy the 5DS or a new 5D3....which I just sold! I need something now before the 5D4 comes out.


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Mar 21, 2016 23:59 |  #15075

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I will be leaving the A7 club. Had some more issues with my A7R II on a shoot tonight. This time the hotshoe was freaking out on me and not firing my triggers. It's possible it was the Pocket Wizards, but I never had this problem with my 5D3 before I sold it.

Now do I buy the 5DS or a new 5D3....which I just sold! I need something now before the 5D4 comes out.

I suppose the responsible thing to do would be just buy a used/low-shutter count 5D III to hold you over till the upgrade comes, because the 5D IV/5DX - whatever it's called - is probably your camera. But, if you're not necessarily a high volume shooter (event/sports/wildlife shooters that take huge numbers of shots) then you might give the 5DS/R a try. I do love mine and Canon made it specifically for studio, architecture, and landscape shooters, but I know you're concerned about the huge files.


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