No offense taken. I did post it for discussion purposes so no issues with it being dissected for this discussion. Just thought this was a good example.
timd35 Member ![]() More info Post edited over 5 years ago by timd35. | No offense taken. I did post it for discussion purposes so no issues with it being dissected for this discussion. Just thought this was a good example. 'Imagination is more important than knowledge.'
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gonzogolf dumb remark memorialized More info | Mar 15, 2016 09:26 | #17 The above discussion reminds me of previous discussions on what is the nest portrait lens. There was always a strong presence by fans of the 35L, but they always posted as proof shots of thin young women. While the wider lenses can provide a unique depth to images they are often seriously unflattering to non models.
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rebelsimon Goldmember ![]() 1,136 posts Likes: 1995 Joined Nov 2013 Location: Whitby, ON More info | Mar 15, 2016 09:38 | #18 gonzogolf wrote in post #17936044 ![]() The above discussion reminds me of previous discussions on what is the nest portrait lens. There was always a strong presence by fans of the 35L, but they always posted as proof shots of thin young women. While the wider lenses can provide a unique depth to images they are often seriously unflattering to non models. I used to shy away from wider lenses with wider brides because, as you say, the distortion can easily add weight that isn't there. But, it can also be much easier to photograph a fuller-bodied person with a wider angle lens if I want to shoot from a higher perspective (holding my hands over my head or standing on a chair has a much more dramatic effect from 4' away than from 15' away). I found that when I kept a longer lens on, I didn't take some shots from above that I would have taken with a 35. Toronto area photographer http://www.SimonMellickPhotography.com
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BigAl007 Cream of the Crop ![]() 8,052 posts Gallery: 547 photos Best ofs: 1 Likes: 1643 Joined Dec 2010 Location: Repps cum Bastwick, Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk, UK. More info | Mar 15, 2016 17:41 | #19 I have a shot hanging on the wall that my daughter took as a selfie, using my old 20D with an 18-55 on it, at 18mm. This is pretty much a head shot taken at arms length. It works because at the time she was in the back of a Cessna having a flight, and is wearing a headset with boom mike out in front. That kind of fixes the real perspective issue with the ears, and the mike also helps reduce the noticeability of the nose to some extent. That it is also a photo of someone having a really good time, obviously in a confined space makes the image tell the story, making the issues with perspective subordinate. My Flickr
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Mar 16, 2016 02:08 | #20 Alveric wrote in post #17935679 ![]() Correction: Joel Grimes shoots his backgrounds with the TS-E 24mm f/3.5L. For the people he uses normal or telephoto lenses, not the 24mm focal length. http://raw.tristanjud.com …terview-with-joel-grimes/ Joel Grimes wrote: I am primarily a wide-angle shooter. For most of my sport subjects I am shooting with a 24mm lens. I love the forced perspective and the stretched proportions this lens gives you. Is very rare that I shoot with a lens longer than 50 mm. I wish I could find the youtube video I once watched with him saying he primarily used the 24/1.4. It was a video where he shot Dennis Haysbert where he said he like the perspective making his arms look bigger and more pronounced giving him a look of power. Now this is old information like 3-5 years old and more recently I see him using the 24-70 II, 24-105, 16-35 but all still very wide. Canon 7D/350D, Σ17-50/2.8 OS, 18-55IS, 24-105/4 L IS, Σ30/1.4 EX, 50/1.8, C50/1.4, 55-250IS, 60/2.8, 70-200/4 L IS, 85/1.8, 100/2.8 IS L, 135/2 L 580EX II, 430EX II * 2, 270EX II.
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gonzogolf dumb remark memorialized More info | Mar 16, 2016 08:01 | #21 FEChariot wrote in post #17936946 ![]() http://raw.tristanjud.com …terview-with-joel-grimes/ ![]() I wish I could find the youtube video I once watched with him saying he primarily used the 24/1.4. It was a video where he shot Dennis Haysbert where he said he like the perspective making his arms look bigger and more pronounced giving him a look of power. Now this is old information like 3-5 years old and more recently I see him using the 24-70 II, 24-105, 16-35 but all still very wide. In the The lit up series of youtube videos he uses a 24-105L.
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Alveric Goldmember ![]() More info Post edited over 5 years ago by Alveric. (3 edits in all) | Mar 16, 2016 12:49 | #22 ![]() He appears to be changing over the years. In the Framed video he was using a TS-E 24mm for the backgrounds and a normal or telephoto for the models (hence my comment above). In the Dramatic Portraits workshop at B&H he was using wide angles for the subjects as well. Do note, though, that he's perfectly aware of the distortions these lenses produce, and he uses said distortion to attain the effects he wants. 'The success of the second-rate is deplorable in itself; but it is more deplorable in that it very often obscures the genuine masterpiece. If the crowd runs after the false, it must neglect the true.' —Arthur Machen
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1] ![]() More info Post edited over 5 years ago by Wilt. | Mar 16, 2016 14:45 | #23 Just thought I'd post a shot taken with equivalent of 16mm lens on FF camera, to illustrate perspective distortion. Note my right hand is twice as large (linear) as my left hand, and less than 1.5' separates them in this photo. What one might want do for creative/artistic reasons might be equally bad news if portraying a portraiture client or a wedding group. You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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OoDee Senior Member ![]() More info Post edited over 5 years ago by OoDee. (2 edits in all) | Mar 21, 2016 09:16 | #24 Wilt wrote in post #17937506 ![]() Just thought I'd post a shot taken with equivalent of 16mm lens on FF camera, to illustrate perspective distortion. Note my right hand is twice as large (linear) as my left hand, and less than 1.5' separates them in this photo. ![]() What one might want do for creative/artistic reasons might be equally bad news if portraying a portraiture client or a wedding group. I think we're limiting ourselves if we're only considering the perspective distortion. Not all portrait are meant to be shot with the subject filling most of the frame.
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cristphoto Goldmember 1,029 posts Likes: 69 Joined Feb 2010 Location: Maryland More info | Mar 21, 2016 21:14 | #25 Can you? - yes. 5D MKIV x2, 24L II, 35L II, 50L, 85LIS, 100LIS Macro, 135L, 300LIS, 16-35LIS, 24-70L, 24-105LIS II, 70-200LIS, 100-400LIS
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OoDee Senior Member ![]() More info | Mar 22, 2016 02:35 | #26 See, this is what I'm trying to say. Should you? I'm saying definitely should. But before that, know your gear.
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1] ![]() More info Post edited over 5 years ago by Wilt. | Mar 22, 2016 08:45 | #27 OoDee wrote in post #17942983 ![]() I think we're limiting ourselves if we're only considering the perspective distortion. Not all portrait are meant to be shot with the subject filling most of the frame. Yes, perspective distortion is a factor which one absolutely must understand, and especially so when shooting portraits. But... I think wide angle lenses become hugely interesting when you want to go for environmental portraits. Sometimes I just love the perspective distortion. But I usually want that for the environment and not for my subjects. So, I keep my subjects farther away and allow for negative space. So I think the answer to the thread starter's question is perhaps frustratingly vague: Yes, you can use 24 mm for full-body portraits. But it's challenging because you need consider both the perspective distortion AND everything else that will crowd you scene. But ultimately it's simply about using right tool for the job. And there are things wide angles can do which standards and tele's can't do - and that applies to portraits too. Here's an example that I took. Though I cropped it vertically, the horizontal perspective is still 24mm. Hosted photo: posted by OoDee in ./showthread.php?p=17942983&i=i168373201 forum: Canon EF and EF-S Lenses ^ You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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speedync Goldmember More info | Mar 25, 2016 18:45 | #28 Go do a search in the 17-40L thread for user sjyap? I think. Start on the last page, & work back. Then get back to us
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Mar 27, 2016 12:30 | #29 In past I read lots of forums & posts, minimum was 35mm to avoid distortion for full body. Sony A7 III | Metabones V | Canon 16-35 F4 L | Sigma 85 1.4 Art | 70-200 2.8L II
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