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Mar 18, 2016 18:34 |  #1

Hello, I am looking to upgrade from my Canon EF-S 18-55mm IS STM lens. I like the focal lengths that this lens offers, but I have a little bit of trouble with the aperture; I am looking for a good walk-around lens (e.g. street photography) with a wider aperture so I can take pictures with better bokeh and in lower light/indoor situations

I've seen the Sigma 18-35mm ART lens, but that is a little out of my budget range. Does anybody have any other recommendations? Thanks.




  
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Mar 18, 2016 19:23 |  #2

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Mar 18, 2016 20:57 |  #3

raccase wrote in post #17940045 (external link)
Hello, I am looking to upgrade from my Canon EF-S 18-55mm IS STM lens. I like the focal lengths that this lens offers, but I have a little bit of trouble with the aperture; I am looking for a good walk-around lens (e.g. street photography) with a wider aperture so I can take pictures with better bokeh and in lower light/indoor situations

I've seen the Sigma 18-35mm ART lens, but that is a little out of my budget range. Does anybody have any other recommendations? Thanks.

Heya,

So the 18-35 F1.8 and the 17-50* F2.8 flavors are the next step if you want up to 2 or 2 & 1/3rd stop increases (at the most narrow aperture) compared to the 18-55 STM. Can be costly, or simply be a compromise, depends on what you need.

Frankly, F2.8 is still slow for indoors. So is F1.4 honestly, if it's even remotely dim. Indoor is best combated with flash.

Bokeh is a quality of the out of focus area--not the amount of out of focus area. If you want better bokeh, that will be a lens property, unique to it. If you just want more out of focus area, due to thin depth of field, that's a combination of a few things, but mostly relative to aperture & distance to subject.

I think a zoom is simply going to be too slow to do all the jobs you're wanting to do.

I'd consider a solid semi-wide very fast aperture prime (like a 30 F1.4 or 35 F1.4).

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Mar 19, 2016 06:08 |  #4

MalVeauX wrote in post #17940186 (external link)
I think a zoom is simply going to be too slow to do all the jobs you're wanting to do.

I'd consider a solid semi-wide very fast aperture prime (like a 30 F1.4 or 35 F1.4).

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Personally I think that 30 to 35mm on the APS-C format is still going to be a bit long for what the OP wants. On that format it is a standard not a wide angle lens. The perfect focal length/aperture combination for that would be a 22mm f/1.4. Allowing a thin DoF at the maximum aperture, as well letting in lots of light for low light situations. The problem is that there is no cheap option in this FL/aperture combination. The cheapest option that really fits what the OP wants is the Sigma 18-35 Art. Yes it is expensive, but it has prime like IQ and maximum aperture. It is probably better for the OP to keep saving a bit longer, and/or consider secong hand.

The problem is that there are very few options in the fast/wide category for the APS-C format. What primes there are from Canon are slow f/2.8 pancakes, or ultra wide L's for the 35mm format. The same situation seems to apply to the other lens manufacturers too. The 18-35 Art is still a lot cheaper than going to a 35mm digital sensor though.

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Mar 27, 2016 23:10 |  #5

You could also consider the Sigma 17-70C, but that won't give you that significant an improvement in terms of aperture, although there still would be a slight improvement. Probably better AF-wise than an older model 17-50 2.8...


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Mar 29, 2016 15:55 |  #6

The 18-35 might be a bit out of your budget now, but it is worth it. It is literally a collection of 1.8 primes in a single package. The FL is a little limited in use, compared to an 18-55, but it is sharp enough that you can crop to 50mm in post and pay a penalty. 2.8 zooms in the 17-50 lengths will seem slow to you after using the S18-35.


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Mar 31, 2016 12:10 |  #7

I would definitely recommend the 17-50/55 f/2.8 options. I have the canon 17-55 and have used the sigma 17-50 on several occasions. Both are excellent. The tamron non-VC is also a great option and can be found used on this forum for very reasonable prices.

As a side note, I recnetly aquired an 18-135 STM. I absolutely love this lens. Though it isn't f/2.8, it is well worth a look.


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Mar 31, 2016 12:37 |  #8

If the speed of the lens is really your issue, and you seem happy with the focal range provided by the 18-55 STM, keep what you have and pick up a couple of reasonably fast primes.

I have the 18-135 STM supplemented very nicely by the 50 f1.8 STM and the 35 f/2 IS. All of these are highly recommended and not expensive.




  
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Mar 31, 2016 14:53 |  #9

Here's my shostlist:
Tamron 17-50
Sigma 17-55
Sigma 30mm 1.4
Canon 35mm F2 IS
Canon 28mm F1.8
Canon 50mm F1.8 (may be too long for all around purposes)

It's highly personal, and there's pro's and cons to any lens (prime vs zoom already is half the question). It's best you google them all and do some research on the pro's and cons of each lens.
Personally I'd go for the sigma 30mm 1.4 art, but that may or may not be the best fit for you.


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Mar 31, 2016 17:37 |  #10

The issue with all the suggestions for fast primes is that they are all normal or longer on the APS-C format. There is no APS-C equivalent for the 28 f/1.8 or 35 f/2 on the 35mm format. What primes there are in suitable focal lengths, which would be 18mm and 22mm are either hellish expensive very wide 35mm format lenses, or slow f/2.8 pancake lenses. f/2.8 is fast for a zoom, but pretty poor for a prime. I guess the only advantage is that the Sigma 18-35 is pretty much prime IQ and aperture wise and is only about as expensive as buying a couple of (nonexistent) primes based on the cost of the 28mm/35mm prime pairing. If f/2.8 is fast enough then there are a lot of very nice APS-C zooms available without breaking the bank. If I were using a 35mm format sensor then I would be all over the 28/35/50mm primes.

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Mar 31, 2016 20:38 |  #11

You are going to find different answers for your two different questions. For indoor photography, I'd rather have a ti1, a 60$ manual flash, and a kit lens than ANY other lens and/or camera without a flash no matter the price. There is simply no substitute in photography for good light. Photography is the art of capturing light, starting with lousy lighting and it's next to impossible to take a great picture. Even with the most modest setup you can imagine you are going to take noticeably better pictures from simply having good light. A simple ceiling bounce makes all the difference.

Now, with that out of the way on to street photography. The sigma 18-35 can be had for reasonable prices on the used market. It looks like adorama has an "E" graded copy for 550 right now.




  
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Mar 31, 2016 21:33 |  #12

BigAl007 wrote in post #17956264 (external link)
The issue with all the suggestions for fast primes is that they are all normal or longer on the APS-C format.

Alan - He has an APS-C.

He said he likes the range of 18-55 on his APS-C.

50 on the prime is the same as 50 on his 18-55.

35 on the prime is the same as 35 on his 18-55.

There are plenty of fast primes in the 20 to 30mm range.

But he wants a walk-around zoom

He already said he can't afford the 18-35 f/1.8. He says nothing about the size or the weight but I think he would find that lens to be a beast compared to what he has anyway.

The Canon 17-55 f/2.8 is also a good bit heavier and bigger than what he has currently but not as much as the 18-35 f/1.8.

If 2.8 is not fast enough, then there's really nothing out there - in a zoom - to satisfy him.

If 2.8 is fast enough, then the suggestions above about the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 (w or without VC) or the 17-55 should be his choice.

Personally I think the 18-55 STM is such a nice lens, I'd keep it for walk around purposes and add a couple inexpensive primes - again - such as the 50 STM or the perhaps even more excellent 35 f/2 IS.




  
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Apr 01, 2016 07:32 |  #13

This is currently available for sale on this forum. Hard to beat the value on this used lens.

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Apr 01, 2016 23:17 |  #14

In terms of weight, it's not my primary consideration when looking at a lens, so I don't really mind, but a lighter weight is always welcome.

I know I mentioned that the Sigma 18-35 mm f/1.8 is about out of my budget range (at least for a single lens), but in general, in terms of price vs. performance, it seems that something like the Sigma 17-50 f/2.8, although offering a smaller max aperture and probably worse performance, can be obtained for about a third the price of the 18-35.

So looking at this analytically, does the Sigma 18-35 outperform the 17-50 by more than 3+ times in terms of IQ, etc.? I'm just trying to think whether it would be advantageous to purchase a 17-50 now (or at least soon) or save up and wait to purchase the 18-35.

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raccase wrote in post #17957750 (external link)
In terms of weight, it's not my primary consideration when looking at a lens, so I don't really mind, but a lighter weight is always welcome.

I know I mentioned that the Sigma 18-35 mm f/1.8 is about out of my budget range (at least for a single lens), but in general, in terms of price vs. performance, it seems that something like the Sigma 17-50 f/2.8, although offering a smaller max aperture and probably worse performance, can be obtained for about a third the price of the 18-35.

So looking at this analytically, does the Sigma 18-35 outperform the 17-50 by more than 3+ times in terms of IQ, etc.? I'm just trying to think whether it would be advantageous to purchase a 17-50 now (or at least soon) or save up and wait to purchase the 18-35.

Thanks.

No, it does not perform 3 times better in terms of IQ.

Note, you can often get a Tamron 17-50 F2.8 VC (stabilization) for $220 off Ebay. Great lens for a walk around APS-C on a budget.

The 18-35 F1.8 is a very good lens, but it's huge, heavy & expensive. I would suggest you literally go to a store and plug one into your camera and feel the size/weight and feel of it and see what you think before you even consider it hanging off the end of your camera.

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