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Is GAP racist or just hiring a budget photographer (bad pose).

 
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Apr 06, 2016 15:22 |  #1
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Cheap, budget photographer making bad pose and ending up GAP being accused of being racist...LOL...single light source with an underlit background. I won't say the pose is racist but pretty awkward...putting the tall kid's elbow over her head that way.

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Apr 06, 2016 15:33 |  #2

Good grief. I'm so sick of all these idiots calling everything "racist" or "sexist". There's nothing racist about the photo and nobody would have complained if the races in the kids had been reversed.


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Apr 06, 2016 15:36 as a reply to  @ Jon_Doh's post |  #3
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That's not the point but if a bad pose causing others to accuse GAP for being racist...that's the problem with the pose. And that's the fault of the photographer of course for staging an awkward pose.


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Apr 06, 2016 15:51 as a reply to  @ TooManyShots's post |  #4

It has nothing to do with the pose, but everybody's over the top extreme political correctness now days.


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Apr 06, 2016 15:56 as a reply to  @ Jon_Doh's post |  #5
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It does because it is the pose causing some to accuse GAP for being racist. :)


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Apr 06, 2016 15:56 |  #6

Anyone claiming racism off that photo is looking for things to complain about. That said, it's also just a screwy framing/pose, IMO.


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Apr 06, 2016 16:18 |  #7

ߑ Totally agree!


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Apr 06, 2016 16:30 |  #8

The intent was unlikely racist. This said, if racism was not so endemic and institutionalized as it currently is, then the overly sensitive reaction to this particular photo would likely not arise.

For every one act of egregious or frivolous “PC” behavior that occurs in this country (and it certainly occurs), there are countless undeniable and blatant acts of racism, sexism, and various types of chauvinism...I'm in North Carolina; I know first hand.

As for the photographer’s responsibility, well, ask the one who took a photo of a crucifix emerged in urine; lots of complaints about that one, particularly by folks who are now the ones most fed up with all this PC crap going around.

But then again, it’s not really about being PC or not, but instead who has a right to insult someone, and who doesn’t.

Be aware of the environment and your audience, realizing that even the most innocuous thing can trigger public dissent…example, an obviously Christmas decorated cup is, to some, not Christmasy enough because it is not adorned by enough ultimately secular symbols.

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Apr 06, 2016 16:45 |  #9

When I first read the headline to this article (it popped up in my Facebook news feed) I thought, "ridiculous. Everything is racist these days." But after seeing the photo (which my immediate thought was 'that's not a very good photo. terrible expressions and poses') I thought it did in fact potentially seem to come across as a bit racist. While I know the photographer (for some reason) wanted a serious look on all the children's faces, this is what made people perceive it as racist IMO. Because the younger african american girl appeared to be upset about the arm on her head, yet couldn't do anything about it because the older, larger white girl would not move (aka oppression). Had everyone been smiling (like all GAP children's ads should be) I don't think there would've been as much uproar.

However I doubt the original posing was meant to be racist, just a bad job by the photog on that part and a bad job by GAP for selecting it.


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Apr 06, 2016 16:52 |  #10

That's what older how siblings do. But it is a good reminder.


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Apr 06, 2016 18:08 |  #11

When I look at the picture I see some awkward, staged poses. I see an older kid antagonizing a younger kid. And this is most clearly an insult to vertically challenged people. I'm disappointed that no-one else picked up on that, instead being led like lambs by the media's interpretation on the image.  :p


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Apr 06, 2016 18:52 |  #12

Just proves that there is no limit to the number of A-holes in the world.


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Apr 06, 2016 19:46 |  #13

...PLEASE, enough with this racist bs being thrown around everywhere!




  
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Apr 06, 2016 20:27 |  #14

The only thing that's racist are the people that are complaining about racism in this photo. Those are the people that are racist...


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Apr 06, 2016 21:14 |  #15

Or you could say it's GAP showing corporate cowardice to race baiting thugs.


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