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Perspective, viewpoint, etc. Suggest a book?

 
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Apr 09, 2016 22:15 |  #1

Any suggestions on a book that covers the same and/or similar topics?

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Apr 09, 2016 22:22 |  #2

You could start with a thread in this forum. Please read our "sticky" (found in the General Photography Talk forum) tutorial titled Perspective Control in Images - Focal Length or Distance?.

The author of the article you linked to mistakenly suggests that focal length can affect perspective. Our article proves that this is wrong.


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Apr 09, 2016 22:38 |  #3

The photographer's eye by Michael Freeman is one. Bryan Peterson has a book on composition as does Tony Northrup. Somewhere in one of Scott Kelby's books he discusses working the scene to find the ideal perspective and viewpoint.

Honestly I find it more productive to just look at other photos of a stationary subject and pick the ones I like. It doesn't answer your question but I think it'll get you where you want to go quicker.


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Apr 09, 2016 23:10 |  #4

TerryMiller wrote in post #17966586 (external link)
The photographer's eye by Michael Freeman is one. Bryan Peterson has a book on composition as does Tony Northrup. Somewhere in one of Scott Kelby's books he discusses working the scene to find the ideal perspective and viewpoint.

Honestly I find it more productive to just look at other photos of a stationary subject and pick the ones I like. It doesn't answer your question but I think it'll get you where you want to go quicker.

Thanks!!

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You could start with a thread in this forum. Please read our "sticky" (found in the General Photography Talk forum) tutorial titled Perspective Control in Images - Focal Length or Distance?.

The author of the article you linked to mistakenly suggests that focal length can affect perspective. Our article proves that this is wrong.

Yeah, I knew that.. Impressive fail, B&H


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Apr 10, 2016 05:39 |  #5

That linked article at B&H is pretty poor, but there is link on that article to one on "Perspective Distortion in Photographic Composition (external link)" that is even worse. In it he initially (poorly IMO) states that perspective distortion is due to relative positioning of items in the scene. But then continues to apportion the perspective effects to lens types, with the usual "Telephoto compression" etc. It's not like you even need a camera and lens to see the effects of perspective distortion, just go stand in the same locations and look at the scene.

Is perspective so hard that even a major retailer's website can't get it right?

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Apr 10, 2016 12:12 |  #6

BigAl007 wrote in post #17966793 (external link)
That linked article at B&H is pretty poor, but there is link on that article to one on "Perspective Distortion in Photographic Composition (external link)" that is even worse. In it he initially (poorly IMO) states that perspective distortion is due to relative positioning of items in the scene. But then continues to apportion the perspective effects to lens types, with the usual "Telephoto compression" etc. It's not like you even need a camera and lens to see the effects of perspective distortion, just go stand in the same locations and look at the scene.

Is perspective so hard that even a major retailer's website can't get it right?

Alan

I watched a B&H workshop video about portraits, I think it was an hour long.
I was incredibly unimpressed, a number of the shots sucked and there was very little useful information.


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Apr 10, 2016 12:46 |  #7

Perspective -- the relationship of a subject to objects around it -- can distort our perception of its relative size.
Perspective distortion, a simple principle to illustrate for yourself, no need for any texts...

IMAGE: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i63/wiltonw/Principles/IMG_9879_zpsias6brpu.jpg
Put one hand very close to the lens (1') note how 'big' it appears to be, relative to the size of the other hand (farther from the lens). For this exercise, your front hand is 'the subject' and the rear hand is one of the 'objects surrounding the subject'.

Now without moving your two hands' position relative to one another,


  1. initial position 1' away from the lens, observe the relative size of the hands.
  2. back away from the lens by about 2' and observe the relative size of the hands.
  3. back away from the lens by about 4' and observe the relative size of the hands.

IMAGE: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i63/wiltonw/Principles/whole%20frame_zpstte6h6zj.jpg

Now let's look at constant framing (relative to size of closest hand)...I did this via postprocessing crop, but you could have done it at time of shooting with framing change by selection of FL, at the same three shooting distances to subject as used for the previous series!
IMAGE: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i63/wiltonw/Principles/relative%20size_zps2j0qrcpu.jpg

Obviously your two hands have not changed in size, only the relative distances of lens vs. each hand.
Another example of relative size, hold our hand out in front of you, as jumbo jet passes by in the sky. We know the jumbo jet truly dwarfs our hand, yet in the sky it is so small it is easily concealed from view by a hand.

And the relative size of the two hands -- at one set distance from the camera -- does NOT change simply due to the use of a different FL lens to shoot the shot. FL changes framing only, not perspective.
Camera position matters, FL of the lens is NOT what changes perspective!

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Apr 10, 2016 13:14 |  #8

Take a lot of photos, with different lenses, from different perspectives, then analyze them. You'll learn more than from just reading.




  
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