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Apr 14, 2016 06:45 |  #1471

umphotography wrote in post #17971012 (external link)
I dont get the Sony band wagon at all....Pointless with the D5 and 1Dx2 release

pointless comparing it to a sports camera.

When sony release a sports camera, then you can start comparing.

its like comparing a 5d3 against a 1dx2

pointless.


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Apr 14, 2016 06:46 |  #1472

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I'm sure that mirrorless cameras will be completely mainstream in photography at some point in our lives, but there are a lot of things that still need to evolve before it gets there...especially for sports and wildlife photographers. There are a host of reasons as to why it's not the perfect solution yet, but just to name a few are build quality/durability, battery life, long lenses, and an AF system that needs to at least match the current pro-series bodies. Don't get me wrong, they can do a lot of neat things, but the development is not there yet for mirrorless to take over.

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The build quality and battery life are easy to fix.


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Apr 14, 2016 06:50 |  #1473

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Ok, so I've hiked for days with a 1Dx and 21ZE on my back. It was fine. The guys that had the A7 stuff...ran out of batteries 3 days in and were all hoping that we would make it to civilization so they could charge up. I only had two batteries with me and with all the shooting, I was still on the first battery after a week.

Your point?

I too have hiked with my 1Dx and landscape lens but carrying 850g of camera and lens opposed to 2.2KG means a lot to me. I was referring to the article as to why Sony Alpha cameras are a bad idea and have lenses as big as DSLRs, which is simply only true if you cherry pick those lenses.

Anyway, the remaining 1.35 KG I can carry 26 extra Sony batteries (gives me a good month of shooting at 150 shots a day) and have the improved IQ of the Sony sensor and extra res. Or I carry half as many batteries and extra food/water etc. Or just take a smaller bag. Whatever. I know which I prefer to have on my back.

My point, the article is wrong on many points and "I use the best camera for the job, having another player in the game just means more choice".


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Apr 14, 2016 07:54 |  #1474

Neilyb wrote in post #17971324 (external link)
Really? Try hiking a few miles with the A7R and Loxia 21mm compared to a 1Dx with Milvus 21mm. I know which I prefer to have on my back.

That stupid article makes a few good points, but misses by a mile by cherry picking lenses which are large and heavy like their DSLR counterparts and built like that for a reason. Ken Rockwell has nothing on this guy.

I use the best camera for the job, having another player in the game just means more choice. The fact that the new player also makes the best sensors is a bonus in my book (especially as a Canon user).

Because everyone needs a $6k camera with 14fps?


Im hiking Mt Whitney in august. The 1Dx2 will be in the pack with a 35L attached.


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Apr 14, 2016 08:11 |  #1475

Well, there's nothing new this morning on the internet regarding the Canon 1D X Mark II, so it looks like we can stir up the SLR vs Mirrorless debate while we wait for May 1st to get here. ;-)a

The funny thing is it really just boils down to horses for courses. Sony mirrorless cameras have some great advantages and great disadvantages, depending on who you are and your needs. Canon SLRs have some great advantages and great disadvantages, depending on who you are and your needs. There's really nothing to defend. One just needs to simply choose whichever one works best for their needs. Or in MedicineMan's case, he just needs to walk over to his most awesome gear shelf and handpick his weapon of choice.

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The build quality and battery life are easy to fix.

Not really. If you beef up the Sony mirrorless camera to match the build quality of the 1DX, and then you made a battery large enough to go the distance, well, the Sony would in fact be as big as the 1DX.

If you want small and light, there are certain compromises that have to be made.

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Apr 14, 2016 08:38 |  #1476

bps wrote in post #17971491 (external link)
Not really. If you beef up the Sony mirrorless camera to match the build quality of the 1DX, and then you made a battery large enough to go the distance, well, the Sony would in fact be as big as the 1DX.

If you want small and light, there are certain compromises that have to be made.

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yes its as simple as that. very easy to do. the AF and EVF quality is harder to achieve and requires more research and development.

They could simply slap on a a7r2 sensor and evf in the 1dx body and call it a day but thats the easy part.

the hard part is getting the 1dx AF like and evf quality up to speed at the fps.


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Apr 14, 2016 08:41 |  #1477

umphotography wrote in post #17971479 (external link)
Im hiking Mt Whitney in august. The 1Dx2 will be in the pack with a 35L attached.

I can hike with a a7r2 and a sigma 35mm ART(better than the 35L mk1) and my bag will way far less then yours :)


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Apr 14, 2016 09:24 as a reply to  @ jonneymendoza's post |  #1478

Thats OK

Im still not going to buy a Sony. But My AF is going to be able to track that falling star at 14000 FT and Im going to get 1000 + shots with my single battery.....so there :twisted::love: :p


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Apr 14, 2016 09:33 |  #1479

Man I digging this tit for tat. End result is Canon sees Sony on the horizon and has to up their game.
Sony sees Canon on top of the hill and must climb harder.
In my case its a win win.
That said I shot with the little Lumix this morning.


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Apr 14, 2016 09:36 |  #1480

jonneymendoza wrote in post #17971512 (external link)
yes its as simple as that. very easy to do. the AF and EVF quality is harder to achieve and requires more research and development.

They could simply slap on a a7r2 sensor and evf in the 1dx body and call it a day but thats the easy part.

the hard part is getting the 1dx AF like and evf quality up to speed at the fps.

That's exactly my point. There is no indication that Sony in interested in redesigning their mirrorless cameras to have a pro-series build quality and to accommodate a drastically larger battery. If so, you would have the same size and weight as a pro-series DSLR. And that's cool. Sony has chosen a different design path and that provides consumers with choices.

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I can hike with a a7r2 and a sigma 35mm ART(better than the 35L mk1) and my bag will way far less then yours :)

Yes you can. Different choices for different folks. Everyone has different priorities and needs.

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Apr 14, 2016 09:50 |  #1481

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I too have hiked with my 1Dx and landscape lens but carrying 850g of camera and lens opposed to 2.2KG means a lot to me. I was referring to the article as to why Sony Alpha cameras are a bad idea and have lenses as big as DSLRs, which is simply only true if you cherry pick those lenses.

Anyway, the remaining 1.35 KG I can carry 26 extra Sony batteries (gives me a good month of shooting at 150 shots a day) and have the improved IQ of the Sony sensor and extra res. Or I carry half as many batteries and extra food/water etc. Or just take a smaller bag. Whatever. I know which I prefer to have on my back.

My point, the article is wrong on many points and "I use the best camera for the job, having another player in the game just means more choice".

While the article may be skewed to show that when used with specific lenses the A7r II doesn't have any weight or size advantage, especially with low capacity batteries requiring lots of spares, in what ways is it " wrong on many points"? Did the author make any statements that were factually incorrect?


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Apr 14, 2016 09:53 |  #1482

mwsilver wrote in post #17971583 (external link)
While the article may be skewed to show that when used with specific lenses the A7r II doesn't have any weight or size advantage, especially with low capacity batteries requiring lots of spares, in what ways is it " wrong on many points"? Did the author make any statements that were factually incorrect?

I agree with Goldmember. Stick to the facts! Excited for this camera.




  
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Apr 14, 2016 10:34 |  #1483

A7's are for the weak in temperate weather. :)

Honestly though, I don't see any significant weight savings, especially because I shoot a lot of supertelephoto and TS (which would require an adapter or equally large native lens) when travelling.

If you wanted to compare mirrorless with f/4 lenses and f/1.8/2/2.8 lightweight prime options, you need to compare weight and price point to the D610/6D/D750 with their f/4/1.8/2/2.8 prime options.

Add cold weather to that equation, and all of a sudden the mirrorless cameras aren't looking so attractive when you need to keep gloves on.


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Apr 14, 2016 10:45 |  #1484

I might reconsider an A7 camera if they put it in a full size body. There are advantages of mirrorless. Why does the camera have to be small? Give me mirrorless with good ergonomics, two card slots, and a decent battery.


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Apr 14, 2016 11:56 |  #1485

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I might reconsider an A7 camera if they put it in a full size body. There are advantages of mirrorless. Why does the camera have to be small? Give me mirrorless with good ergonomics, two card slots, and a decent battery.


you forgot a decent menu that doesnt require a PHD to figure it out :twisted:

I dont know. maybe ive been with canon too long...........Nothing made sense to me when i was playing with it. I handed it back to the sales guy and said no thanks


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