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Apr 25, 2016 22:07 |  #1

Lightroom Mac vs PC Speed Test | $4k iMac vs $4k Custom PC Performance Test

https://www.slrlounge.​com …stom-pc-performance-test/ (external link)

Performance Conclusion

While we really appreciate Apple’s approach to their hardware quality and design, we can’t justify the price to performance difference at this time.

Speaking conservatively, a 25% difference in performance would turn an 8 hour wedding edit into 10 hours. Spread across 30 weddings a year (for a typical studio), this is a 60 hour time difference in the time spent editing weddings. For a studio like ours shooting nearly 400+ weddings, a 25% difference would require 800 more hours of editing or nearly 20 weeks of productivity.

In this Mac vs. PC test, our results showed that the Apple iMac was behind by 35% or more across the board, making the PC the clear victor.

While this wont settle what's better, either a MAC or a PC, there have been plenty of posts posted here about those wanting something faster or more bang for their buck.

there is a lot more to think about when selecting a computer to work on. how the OS works is also one of them.


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Apr 25, 2016 22:30 |  #2

CUSTOM PC SPECS

Intel i7-5960X @ 3.00Ghz overclocked to 4.5Ghz ($1025)
ASUS ROG RAMPAGE V EXTREME($480)
RAM 64GB ($350)
EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti ($630)
Samsung 850 EVO 1TB ($300)
Corsair 450D Case ($125)
Corsair AX860 Power Supply ($140)
Corsair Hydro H110 Water Cooler ($120)
Windows 10 Pro ($100/$200)
EIZO 27″ FlexScan IPS Display 2560×1440 ($1000)
FINAL PRICE $4,370 (Amazon No Sales Tax *Where applicable)

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APPLE IMAC SPECS

27-inch iMac with Retina 5K Display
Intel i7 Quad-Core 4.00Ghz
32GB 1867Mhz DDR3 SDRAM
1TB Flash Storage
AMD Radeon R9 M395X w/ 4GB Video Memory
FINAL PRICE $4,431 (Apple Tax required)

Both are pretty awesome systems but for the PC, I get why they wanted to make a $4500 machine vs a $4500 machine but a 980Ti or the 5960X? Are those even necessary? Otherwise, it was an interesting read although it would of been interesting to see someone really drop the money on getting identical spec'd out machines and have em go at it, compare price to performance then do a take from there. Obviously the PC would have to be spec'd to what the iMac is and to figure out the 5K screen price is a whole 'nother bucket of worms.

EDIT: Actually, after reading some more you have the significantly different:
CPU: Octo-core vs quad-core (PC in favor)
RAM: 64GB vs 32GB (PC in favor)
GPU: 980Ti vs R9 M395X (PC in favor, I believe that R9 is the mobile variant so nothing near Desktop grade GPU)
Storage: SSD vs a SSHD AKA: "fusion drive" (PC in favor)

I am humored that the comments in that article are complaining that the specs aren't fair when it is a comparison of price and not comparison of "OSs with the same hardware".


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Apr 26, 2016 00:34 |  #3

^ Good points.

Now go load up and compile some 4K video while rendering 3D CAD arcitecture models on both and see which one lasts.


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Apr 26, 2016 02:23 |  #4

I came on here to post this so was happy to see someone beat me to it, this article is great and has to be seen!

Bleufire wrote in post #17985177 (external link)
I am humored that the comments in that article are complaining that the specs aren't fair when it is a comparison of price and not comparison of "OSs with the same hardware".

The other funny comments are the ones complaint that they 'don't have the time'time' or knowledge to put a PC together and would rather get an all in one Mac. PC's are so easy and actually really fun to build. Stores here overcharge like crazy but even then, it only costs $70 for them to build and test it for you.

I believe if they had matched the specs of the Mac, the PC would have come out significantly cheaper. I've read before that when people buy something real expensive, they are more aggressive in their defense of the product because they have to justify their purchase. I've used iPhones and have Apple products still (Macbook Pro for my girlfriend and a iPad for both of us) but the price we pay for them is honestly too much.

When people touch on design, there's some custom PC builds out there that look amazing, especially the water-cooled builds that have LEF strip lights like the NZXT Hue+.

Mac's are in no way bad at what they do, you can just get equal performance with more options at a much cheaper price from a PC :D


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Apr 26, 2016 03:02 |  #5

You could look at both machines that equally spec and see what the results are. But most people don't look at the specs and understand them.

Some people don't know what the differences are between a high end GPU vs a high end CPU.

most people look at price and that's why it's import to view an article like this from those that are going to see a price point first.


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Apr 26, 2016 04:23 |  #6

Computers spend most of their time waiting for people. 25% faster doesn't mean saving two hours per wedding, as they say in their conclusion, it's probably much less.


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Apr 26, 2016 07:58 |  #7

Somehow I always go with personal experience. Bottom line my 11" Macbook Air 1.6 GHz, 4 gig Ram seems to blow away both my 2.6 GHz, 12 gig Ram systems. And it is NOT by a close margin, my Macbook Air runs Lightroom no problem, the Win10 machines struggle big time.

I believe it has to do with the hardware that the manufacturer decided to use. I don't like using names on the Internet, but since Win10 was released the reputation of this manufacturer has taken a nose dive for good reasons.


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Apr 26, 2016 08:16 |  #8

More than anything in the last 4 years, I have wanted double the hardrive size much more than doubling my processor speed.


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Apr 26, 2016 10:15 |  #9

If you really need the horsepower (4k/RAW video editing), Apple is definitely on the wrong side of the price/performance curve right now. There's not much of a debate there.


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Apr 26, 2016 10:24 |  #10

If everyone finds the comments on SLR Lounge funny, Petapixel is even funnier
http://petapixel.com …c-photography-speed-test/ (external link)


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Dlee13 wrote in post #17985357 (external link)
I believe if they had matched the specs of the Mac, the PC would have come out significantly cheaper. I've read before that when people buy something real expensive, they are more aggressive in their defense of the product because they have to justify their purchase.

So true. I myself prefer the PC because of the ability to customize it. I recently boosted my RAM and swapped the GPU for a GTX-980. A few years ago, I put in an ROG motherboard and an I7 CPU. Try that with a Mac.

I last used a Mac in a former job. The company had a broad and deep directory structure on the network. When they upgraded the OS to Yosemite, it essentially bricked the computer, which choked on the directory. And it was dropping wi-fi connections all over the place -- a little known Apple secret. The company had to give me an Ethernet wire for that. When Microsoft screws up at least they're somewhat apologetic and work to make it right, eventually. The more technical Mac user community was up in arms about Yosemite. Apple's response -- if you want to call it that -- was something like, "What??? An Apple OS is not perfect? You must be doing something wrong." The tech guys had to roll back the OS on my Mac to get it to work. That was a daunting task itself. Being Apple fan boys, they were convinced that I did something wrong. It was only when I presented a two-page log of times that I had to cold boot the Mac that they grudgingly admitted that maybe something wasn't quite right. Needless to say, it did not do much to improve my perception of Apple products.


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Apr 26, 2016 15:38 |  #12

Apple always has been a premium brand that enjoys high margins. If you read up on their financial results they tend to have a very healthy margin on hardware. Where most pc manufacturers have much thinner margins due to competition.

The windows machine could have been built for less, the $480 mobo is overkill even though x99 motherboards are expensive they certainly could have found one for at least $100 less if not $200 less. I also question how much benefit they are getting in performance from a 980ti vs. a video card that is 1/3rd the cost for anything outside of gaming.


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Apr 26, 2016 17:35 |  #13

joedlh wrote in post #17985741 (external link)
So true. I myself prefer the PC because of the ability to customize it. I recently boosted my RAM and swapped the GPU for a GTX-980. A few years ago, I put in an ROG motherboard and an I7 CPU. Try that with a Mac.


Not to mention the ability to run two GPU's in SLI/Crossfire which Mac's can't do. I must say I'm jealous of your 980, I'm using a very humble Asus GTX 750 Ti  :p

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I last used a Mac in a former job. The company had a broad and deep directory structure on the network. When they upgraded the OS to Yosemite, it essentially bricked the computer, which choked on the directory. And it was dropping wi-fi connections all over the place -- a little known Apple secret. The company had to give me an Ethernet wire for that. When Microsoft screws up at least they're somewhat apologetic and work to make it right, eventually. The more technical Mac user community was up in arms about Yosemite. Apple's response -- if you want to call it that -- was something like, "What??? An Apple OS is not perfect? You must be doing something wrong." The tech guys had to roll back the OS on my Mac to get it to work. That was a daunting task itself. Being Apple fan boys, they were convinced that I did something wrong. It was only when I presented a two-page log of times that I had to cold boot the Mac that they grudgingly admitted that maybe something wasn't quite right. Needless to say, it did not do much to improve my perception of Apple products.

The only way the logic makes sense to me is what I heard in a YouTube video ages ago. That is that because Apple products cost so much money, people feel a much stronger need to justify their purchases. I have friends with Mac's who have issues with files not able to open with no solution and programs that won't open or even uninstall. At least with a BSOD, you can figure out what the issue is and fix it. I used to have BSOD like crazy but I easily traced it to my RAM and once I fixed it, I have had no issues at all.

Also with my all the iPhones my girlfriend and I have had, we have returned them more than once due to warranty issues and when I tell people that, they don't believe me...

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The windows machine could have been built for less, the $480 mobo is overkill even though x99 motherboards are expensive they certainly could have found one for at least $100 less if not $200 less. I also question how much benefit they are getting in performance from a 980ti vs. a video card that is 1/3rd the cost for anything outside of gaming.

Yeah a cheaper Z170 Pro board, cheaper RAM and a GTX 960 with 4GB VRAM would have probably been more than sufficient.


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Both are pretty awesome systems but for the PC, I get why they wanted to make a $4500 machine vs a $4500 machine but a 980Ti or the 5960X? Are those even necessary? Otherwise, it was an interesting read although it would of been interesting to see someone really drop the money on getting identical spec'd out machines and have em go at it, compare price to performance then do a take from there. Obviously the PC would have to be spec'd to what the iMac is and to figure out the 5K screen price is a whole 'nother bucket of worms.

EDIT: Actually, after reading some more you have the significantly different:
CPU: Octo-core vs quad-core (PC in favor)
RAM: 64GB vs 32GB (PC in favor)
GPU: 980Ti vs R9 M395X (PC in favor, I believe that R9 is the mobile variant so nothing near Desktop grade GPU)
Storage: SSD vs a SSHD AKA: "fusion drive" (PC in favor)

I am humored that the comments in that article are complaining that the specs aren't fair when it is a comparison of price and not comparison of "OSs with the same hardware".

you do understand this was a pricepoint comparison? this is what $4500 dollars gets you from PC and MAC camps. Apple crap is just to much overpriced.


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Apr 26, 2016 18:44 |  #15

he does. yes.


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