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Apr 27, 2016 21:14 |  #16

On a "share your thoughts" on a video and 2 cameras mentioned, you will get all kinds of comments in the thread. ;)


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Phoenixkh wrote in post #17987531 (external link)
I would like to say: I prefer discussions to debates. In a debate, people are trying to "win". In a discussion, everyone can learn.

I will add, I had a 7D2 but now use a 1D IV. I couldn't be happier.

I have lots of birding books. Several of them are authored by more than one person and in those cases, some of the authors use Nikon and the others use Canon. For what I shoot, I'm sure either would work well. The Canon shooters often used the 1D IV and the 500 f/4 ll. The Nikon shooters used the D4 or D4S since the D5 is so new. Nikon's 500 f/4 lens was often the lens of choice in the aforementioned books.

It will be interesting to note what systems authors of birding books use in the future.


Kim, you make a good point.

The technology is such now that we're really splitting hairs. I actually think the 1Dx2 is the better buy than the Nikon D5, because of its superior 4K (replacing the 1Dc). But it is better by only a hair, in that respect, and loses (again, by a hair) in the high ISO dept. So, again, we are only splitting hairs :-P

I do think the disparity is greater of the D500 over the 7D2, the Nikon is simply better across the board here. Yet I have seen some great images with the 7D2 ... why?

Because people put themselves in the position (right place, right time) to capture them.

With the modern equipment we have, the most important thing to do isn't to buy the next great camera ... it's to get out there and shoot :-)




  
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Apr 27, 2016 21:20 |  #18
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On a "share your thoughts" on a video and 2 cameras mentioned, you will get all kinds of comments in the thread. ;)

No comparison.
The D500 shoots 4K, the 7D2 no such thing.
D500 articulating screen, 7D2 no such thing.

With the 1Dx2, as I said above, its 4K is better than the new D5, no way not to concede that point.




  
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Apr 27, 2016 21:22 |  #19
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Okay, enough gear talk for me ... I am just happy to be getting a new Nikon D500.

It will be far better on my 300mm VR II than on my D810.

The brand new AF system will simply be primo on this great, great, top-10 of all lenses made.

For my D810, I will use for my macro, and vintage MF lenses.

This will be a great season ... the best I have had in 4 years :lol:




  
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Apr 27, 2016 22:56 |  #20

John Koerner can you share the link where you can see the 10 best lenses. Thanks

When you get your D500, please let us know your opinion/fillings on the AF and Tracking capabilities

When it comes to noise reduction Team Speed's Denoiser actions are excellent.. Seen several of his 7DII ISO over 10,000 images and they really looked great.


" I would like to say: I prefer discussions to debates. In a debate, people are trying to "win". In a discussion, everyone can learn."

Very well said Kim, very well said.


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Apr 28, 2016 17:12 as a reply to  @ post 17987384 |  #21

Pretty tough words there John,I mean I do have both the 7DMKII and the Nikon D5500 (same sensor as the d7200) and yeah at low iSO's the Nikon has the dynamic dance edge but once your over maybe ISO 400 they are really close in IQ and in noise.To say that the 7DMKII sensor is pale and sick in IQ is just plain disingenuous.It sounds like you never even owned the 7dMKII?Maybe instead of relying on "specs" from some camera review site you should actually own the camera your judging.Have a good day!


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Apr 29, 2016 07:38 |  #22

For a more level-headed discussion of the 2, you can go to FredMiranda and see what is being said. People have been more level-headed and objective in their comments, other than technic. It would appear IndyFab = Bianchi... :)

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There isn't enough on the Nikon side to really change sides, especially now that Canon has momentum with its newly designed sensor tech. If there was no changes to Canon's offerings, just more features and bells and whistles, then perhaps a switch would be in order.

For now ISO 12800 is very manageable with my 7D2 and 5D3, there is no reason to consider moving to Nikon, no matter how the DR might be better, and fairly close high ISO, and differences in AF. 65pt works fine for now for me.

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Even ISO 16000 can be workable.

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Apr 29, 2016 11:45 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #23

Not bad at all teamspeed for 16000.Usually when I'm over about 4000 I grab the 6D.


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Apr 29, 2016 16:46 |  #24

Thanks, I have put a lot of research into my high iso management, and am glad it shows. :)


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Apr 30, 2016 21:07 |  #25

TS, yes IndyFab & Bianchi would be me. IndyFab = my road bicycle & Bianchi = my wife's


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Apr 30, 2016 21:30 |  #26

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Hell, I can still take good photos with the old 7D ...

But there are many instances where it failed me, noise/quality-wise, where a better sensor would have prevailed.

If you're happy with what you have, that is great.

I know I am happy with what I have, the D810, and my D500 is coming next week :lol:

I have my 7D2 and two lenses up for sale now on my local Craigslist and pre-ordered my D500 just this past Thursday. A little short of a year ago, I did the same and listed my 5D3 on the local Craigslist and went out and picked up a D810. But I shoot sports also, and at the time, Nikon had nothing that could match the agility and athleticism of the 7D2, so I also listed my 7D and upgraded to the 7D2. But I held onto the two pieces of Canon glass I used most for high school and college baseball,... the 70-200 f/2.8 II and my aging 100-400 pumper. Didn't take long to feel the burn of humpin' duplicate and redundant glass around.

So my motivation to loose the 7D2 in favor of the D500 is strictly a matter of mobility, weight and back pain. I've gotten some superb shots with my 7D2. Shots I would be quick to say I probably wouldn't have gotten with the D810,... or the 5D3 for that matter. All this Canon vs Nikon stuff was resolved long ago for me, when I lost the 5D3 in favor of the D810. I'm happy,... for the moment. But I'm holding on to my 70-200 and Canon mount Sigma 24-105 just in case! If the worm should turn again,... I'll try and hold onto my Nikkor 24-70 f/2.8, 70-200 f/2.8 and 200-500 f/5.6. Just in case! lol




  
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I have my 7D2 and two lenses up for sale now on my local Craigslist and pre-ordered my D500 just this past Thursday. A little short of a year ago, I did the same and listed my 5D3 on the local Craigslist and went out and picked up a D810. But I shoot sports also, and at the time, Nikon had nothing that could match the agility and athleticism of the 7D2, so I also listed my 7D and upgraded to the 7D2. But I held onto the two pieces of Canon glass I used most for high school and college baseball,... the 70-200 f/2.8 II and my aging 100-400 pumper. Didn't take long to feel the burn of humpin' duplicate and redundant glass around.

So my motivation to loose the 7D2 in favor of the D500 is strictly a matter of back pain. All this Canon vs Nikon stuff was resolved long ago for me, when I lost the 5D3 in favor of the D810. I'm happy,... for the moment. But I'm holding on to my 70-200 and Canon mount Sigma 24-105 just in case! If the worm should turn again,... I'll try and hold onto my Nikkor 24-70 f/2.8, 70-200 f/2.8 and 200-500 f/5.6. Just in case! lol

Congrats Eric, be sure to come back and give us your opinion/comments on the two. Does the Nikon 200-500 take TC's very well, like the Canon 100-400II does. You could not put one on V1 100-400, didn't take it very well.


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Congrats Eric, be sure to come back and give us your opinion/comments on the two. Does the Nikon 200-500 take TC's very well, like the Canon 100-400II does. You could not put one on V1 100-400, didn't take it very well.

Thanks Bianchi,... I will. Not a big fan of TC! With the the D810 it's easier to crop and fill a frame. And on those occasions when a TC would be nice, you can easily flip the D810 into DX mode, which is essentially a built in 1.5 converter that'll take you to 750mm and won't steal as much light or focus points! It does cut down on your effective resolution tho. What I'm anxious to explore is mounting the 200-500 f/5.6 onto the D500 and flip it into its 18:12 mode, which is a 1.3 crop factor on top of the DX mode's already 1.5 crop factor. This will take the 200-500 f/5.6 to 975mm. And if the D500's internal crop mode behaves like the D810's, it'll do that 975mm stretch with little to no lost of light and few focus points. Guess I'll find in a week or two!

But to answer your question, from what I've read in the reviews, it performs fairly well with Nikkor's TC, but not to good with other Nikon mount TC offerings. I'd just rather not use them to begin with.




  
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Thanks Bianchi,... I will. Not a big fan of TC! With the the D810 it's easier to crop and fill a frame. And on those occasions when a TC would be nice, you can easily flip the D810 into DX mode, which is essentially a built in 1.5 converter that'll take you to 750mm and won't steal as much light or focus points! It does cut down on your effective resolution tho. What I'm anxious to explore is mounting the 200-500 f/5.6 onto the D500 and flip it into its 18:12 mode, which is a 1.3 crop factor on top of the DX mode's already 1.5 crop factor. This will take the 200-500 f/5.6 to 975mm. And if the D500's internal crop mode behaves like the D810's, it'll do that 975mm stretch with little to no lost of light and few focus points. Guess I'll find in a week or two!

But to answer your question, from what I've read in the reviews, it performs fairly well with Nikkor's TC, but not to good with other Nikon mount TC offerings. I'd just rather not use them to begin with.


Interesting, I didn't know you can add 1.3 to the already 1.5 to give you even more reach. Let us know how well it works.

How do you compare the Nikor 24-70 & 70-200 to Canon's 24-70II & 70-200II. I seen quite a few very nice images from 200-500, everyone seems to be very happy with their copy. Also the price is wright


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... And on those occasions when a TC would be nice, you can easily flip the D810 into DX mode, which is essentially a built in 1.5 converter that'll take you to 750mm and won't steal as much light or focus points!....

DX mode is not like a built in t-con at all. DX mode simply crops the image in camera, that's it. Nothing more. You can take a FF image and a DX image, crop the FF image to the same dimensions at the DX image in post and have the identical image. DX mode puts no more pixels on target than a FF image. A t-con on the other hand has optics increasing the actual image size.


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