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May 08, 2016 15:00 |  #1

I need to rent the tamron 100-600 lens. Question is i am looking for a EF mount for my full frame 5DM3 correct? I have all L series lens that i use now but very unfamiliar with the tamron lens. Thanks


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May 08, 2016 15:20 |  #2

Tamron SP 150-600mm f/5-6.3 Di VC USD Lens for Canon


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May 08, 2016 15:21 |  #3

Hi!

It isn't a stupid question.

I checked the Tamron line, and what they have today is a 150-600mm lens for Canon. You said 100-600mm. Maybe there's a 100-600, and if so that's cool. In any case, here's what you need to do.

Yes, it should be an EF mount for a Canon camera. Additionally and importantly, it should be designed to work with a full frame camera such as the 5DM3. While it will also work with Canon APS-C sensor cameras, if it only works with an APS-C camera it won't work with a full frame camera such as your 5DM3.

If you find what you want and the written description isn't clear, ask the rental company if it will work with your camera (phone call, email), and keep a record of the call/email. Should you rent it and it isn't compatible, you may have recourse.

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May 08, 2016 15:29 |  #4

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Hi!

It isn't a stupid question.

I checked the Tamron line, and what they have today is a 150-600mm lens for Canon. You said 100-600mm. Maybe there's a 100-600, and if so that's cool. In any case, here's what you need to do.

Yes, it should be an EF mount for a Canon camera. Additionally and importantly, it should be designed to work with a full frame camera such as the 5DM3. While it will also work with Canon APS-C sensor cameras, if it only works with an APS-C camera it won't work with a full frame camera such as your 5DM3.

If you find what you want and the written description isn't clear, ask the rental company if it will work with your camera (phone call, email), and keep a record of the call/email. Should you rent it and it isn't compatible, you may have recourse.

Hope this helps!

Allow me to translate for better understanding...

  • Tamron makes lenses with EF mount with a smaller image circle which is only suitable for APS-C cameras, this has the 'Di-II' label in its name
  • Tamron makes lenses with EF mount with a larger image circle which is usable with both FF and APS-C cameras, this has the 'Di' label in its name
  • Only Canon makes lenses with EF-S mount and smaller image circle for APS-C cameras; third party companies have two lens lines and subtly different naming, one for APS-C, but BOTH are 'EF' lens mount lenses.

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May 09, 2016 12:53 |  #5

If I might make a suggestion I would seriously consider also looking at the Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary. In my opinion the Sigma is a significantly better lens than the Tamron, even without using the dock to customise it. I have tried both lenses, and now own the Sigma. I feel that the Sigma's image quality is much better than the Tamron, and even has the edge on the original Canon 100-400 L Ver 1. Here in the UK the shop price for both the Tamron and Sigma lenses is now the same, and in the US they are also now very close. I would expect the rental price for both to also be very close making the Sigma a much better choice of lens. In Sigma speak the DG code tells you that the lens will cover the full 35mm image frame of the 5DIII, so no problems there.

Be aware that Sigma also make a Sport variant of the lens, with the same destination, except ending in Sport. This is an even better lens, but is considerably more expensive than the other two lenses, and also significantly heavier. The image quality of the Sport is a better than the C, but most of the differences are in the materials that the lens is constructed from, and it's weather resistance.

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May 09, 2016 18:58 |  #6

would i have better image quality with the canon 400mm f/5.6L then ether the sigma or tamron?


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May 09, 2016 19:54 |  #7

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would i have better image quality with the canon 400mm f/5.6L then ether the sigma or tamron?

I have not used the 400 prime, the lack of IS is a problem for how I usually have to shoot, since I am very often shooting handheld at 1/160s and maximum zoom combined with cropping up away over half the pixels even at 600mm. From what I have read the IQ on the 400mm prime is very close to the original 100-400L, with the primes main advantages over the zoom being weight and cost. I also couldn't afford the 100-400 version 2, either to purchase or rent, and the same applies to the Sigma Sport, so again answers about those lenses are hearsay. All of that aside I would rate the zooms in the following order of image quality, and place the Canon prime next to the Canon 100-400 V1.


  1. Canon 100-400 V2

  2. Sigma 150-600 S

  3. Sigma 150-600 C

  4. Canon 100-400 V1

  5. Tamron 150-600


I would say the 400 prime is going to be better than the Tamron, but I don't know about the Sigma. I personally think that my Sigma C at 600mm is as good or better than any of the 100-400's V1's that I rented are at 400mm. Although you can use a 1.4× converter to get to 560mm with the Canon lenses, if you have a body that will AF at f/8, you can also do the same with the Sigma for 840mm.

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May 09, 2016 22:09 |  #8

RLipp69 wrote in post #18001668 (external link)
would i have better image quality with the canon 400mm f/5.6L then ether the sigma or tamron?

If you're asking this, you might want to revisit what you plan to do. Originally you said you "need" the Tamron 100-600. What are you shooting? Do you need a 600mm reach, or will 400mm give you what you need? Do you also need to zoom to 150mm? Image quality is going to be an issue as a function of how much you need to crop, available light, shutter speed, ISO, et al. With something as heavy as the Tamron and the others mentioned by Alan, weight could also be a factor. These are easy to hold for a few seconds. Try to hold it steady and ready to take a photo for the duration of, say, a soccer game, and you'll see just how heavy that camera/lens combo is.


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May 09, 2016 22:50 |  #9

RLipp69 wrote in post #18001668 (external link)
would i have better image quality with the canon 400mm f/5.6L then ether the sigma or tamron?


Yes, but the SIGMA is very good. Coming from a long time 400mm f/5.6L shooter, It's not as fast AF, nor quite as good optically as the Canon prime, but it is VERY GOOD optically, (especially given that it is a 600mm zoom) has fast reasonably confident AF, AND has great OS (optical image stabilization)

They run about the same price.
The prime is MUCH lighter and faster to point, one of the best lenses ever made for birds in flight.
The SIGMA ZOOm is , well 600mm!

I can't speak to the Tamron for personal experience other than some quick tests I did a few years back, but the SIGMA is newer and appears to be measurably sharper according to online sources.

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May 10, 2016 13:56 |  #10

Like most people, I have not owned all of the lenses mentioned here, but I owned the original Canon 100-400 (for many years), and now the Tamron 150-600. My experience is that the original Canon is in no way superior to the Tamron, whether it be sharpness, focusing, or whatever.

Going beyond the scope of my actual experience, my take on the many reviews that I have read is that the 100-400 II is probably the best optically, and there is little optical difference among the third-party lenses. The Sigma Sport is more rugged, at a price.

If I were buying today, I would probably get the Sigma C (provided that the issue demonstrated in this video has been addressed: https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=fLXocpM5xno) (external link), not because I am convinced that it is optically better, but because I already own the Sigma USB Dock. However, I was using the Tamron for a year before the Sigma came out, so it was not an option when I was in the market.


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May 10, 2016 14:21 |  #11

RLipp69 wrote in post #18001668 (external link)
would i have better image quality with the canon 400mm f/5.6L then ether the sigma or tamron?

Heya,

What are you looking to shoot?
What conditions (light)?

Everyone seems to be assuming birds, flight, etc. But maybe you have another purpose?

This could be a landscape lens for all we know, and it would be great for it too for distant stuff like deserts, mountains, cliffs, etc.

Maybe you want it for wildlife. Or maybe birds. Or all of the above?

We really need to know more about what you plan to use it for, to really make a distinction between various lenses that are being compared.

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As for all the comparisons, here's some examples of a Tamron 150-600 (and full resolution is available on Flickr if you want to peep):

1/60s, wide open F6.3, panning handheld with a duck in low light:

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1/50s, wide open F6.3, handheld in low light:

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Some other various low light, wide open F6.3 shots, to review sharpness, etc:

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And here's some in flight:

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May 10, 2016 14:41 |  #12

Actually i am shooting the Carrie Underwood show. It will be a distance away. I normally use a 400mm f/2.8 from that distance but not available for me to use that day. I was thinking the sigma 150-600 but is f/6.3 but then i figured i can use the canon 400mm prime at high ISO with my 5DM3. The lens It's at least f5.6 and will save me a.stop.sample below of what i got last time with the 400 f/2.8 and need to get just as good result. Thoughts?


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May 10, 2016 14:51 |  #13

RLipp69 wrote in post #18001668 (external link)
would i have better image quality with the canon 400mm f/5.6L then ether the sigma or tamron?

Yes...But if you need the 600mm reach then the sigma will give you a bit better image quality than the tamron.


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Actually i am shooting the Carrie Underwood show. It will be a distance away. I normally use a 400mm f/2.8 from that distance but not available for me to use that day. I was thinking the sigma 150-600 but is f/6.3 but then i figured i can use the canon 400mm prime at high ISO with my 5DM3. The lens It's at least f5.6 and will save me a.stop.sample below of what i got last time with the 400 f/2.8 and need to get just as good result. Thoughts?
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Really you could do with a faster lens than any of the ones you have mentioned..
How about a 300 2.8 and converter or 500f4..


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May 10, 2016 15:15 |  #15

RLipp69 wrote in post #18002578 (external link)
Actually i am shooting the Carrie Underwood show. It will be a distance away. I normally use a 400mm f/2.8 from that distance but not available for me to use that day. I was thinking the sigma 150-600 but is f/6.3 but then i figured i can use the canon 400mm prime at high ISO with my 5DM3. The lens It's at least f5.6 and will save me a.stop.sample below of what i got last time with the 400 f/2.8 and need to get just as good result. Thoughts?
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And that's what the crux is! Totally different from what all of us are suggesting.

You're looking at long reach, low light. This screams two things: 1) aperture, 2) stabilization.

As I showed you, with image stabilization, I'm able to get down to 1/50s, at F6.3, and ISO 800 without a tripod. Stabilization will give you a lot of wiggle room in low light. If I were shooting with F2.8 glass, that would have been about 1/320s shutter. Add image stabilization to that, and it's even better.

Frankly, to me, it seems you should be looking at a Sigma 120-300 F2.8 OS. Fast aperture. Stabilization. Can take TC's and be a 168~420 F4 OS with a 1.4x TC. On top of a monopod, you'd get great results.

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