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May 08, 2016 23:15 |  #3721

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I'd like to hear who uses IS and how doesn't

With the Mk I, I shot Mode 2 IS 100% of the time, up to 1/800; above that I got blurred images if IS was on. Mode 1, for me, was utterly useless on that lens.

With the MkII, I shoot Mode 1 most of the time and will switch to Mode 2 for airshows, in-flights and such. I haven't had it *nearly* long enough to make any useful determinations on Mode 3 or Off, yet.


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May 09, 2016 18:48 |  #3722

I have been hobby-shooting .177 air pistols for the last few decades, so think I have a pretty good/steady hand when it comes to long-lens technique. In trying to get a bit more sharpness in my BIF images, I tried pushing shutter to 1/1000, from 1/800 s.

Surprisingly, this has made a VERY BIG difference in per-pixel sharpness in my shots, both BIF and perched birds. With the various IS settings, and without. (I'm shooting 5D3, 100-400ii, and 1.4xiii).

Unfortunately, this means my ISO's will be going even further into the stratosphere... :( Under a bright, high/wispy cloudcover at noon, ISO 2,000!

I was envying the 1Dxii, but comparing to the 5D3, it's slightly worse, noise-wise, than the 5D3 at 12,800.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …&TestComp=0&ISO​Comp=12800 (external link)




  
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May 09, 2016 18:53 |  #3723

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I was envying the 1Dxii, but comparing to the 5D3, it's slightly worse, noise-wise, than the 5D3 at 12,800.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …&TestComp=0&ISO​Comp=12800 (external link)

That is not what I'm seeing.


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May 09, 2016 19:07 |  #3724

I've been having to up to 3200 lately to get my latest 'family'...this at 2500 on a 7DII:

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It's still pretty darned nice, IMO.

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May 09, 2016 20:50 |  #3725

skid00skid00 wrote in post #18001654 (external link)
I have been hobby-shooting .177 air pistols for the last few decades, so think I have a pretty good/steady hand when it comes to long-lens technique. In trying to get a bit more sharpness in my BIF images, I tried pushing shutter to 1/1000, from 1/800 s.

Surprisingly, this has made a VERY BIG difference in per-pixel sharpness in my shots, both BIF and perched birds. With the various IS settings, and without. (I'm shooting 5D3, 100-400ii, and 1.4xiii).

Unfortunately, this means my ISO's will be going even further into the stratosphere... :( Under a bright, high/wispy cloudcover at noon, ISO 2,000!

I was envying the 1Dxii, but comparing to the 5D3, it's slightly worse, noise-wise, than the 5D3 at 12,800.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …&TestComp=0&ISO​Comp=12800 (external link)


I think you have your back and forward arrows backwards
- change the 5D3 to 6400 and keep the 1Dx II at 12,800
- they look the same
- that is a 1 full stop improvement
- and that is not looking at the raise the shadow issue with the 5D2 / 5D3 where after 3 stops it falls completely apart
- the 1 Dx II allows another 1, almost 2, full stops of shadow recovery without all the red / magenta / banding / ugly stuff starting to show

I say all of the above, and I still think the 5DSR is a better camera up to ISO 3200 when you consider the end picture and trading off NR and pixel density to get a better / cleaner end picture. Above ISO 3200, the 1Dx II is going to win - but then again, the D5 is even better, and then again, the Sony A7S II is better yet again. Get the right tool for the job.


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May 09, 2016 23:32 |  #3726

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May 09, 2016 23:57 |  #3727

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May 10, 2016 13:03 |  #3728

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #18001768 (external link)
I think you have your back and forward arrows backwards
- change the 5D3 to 6400 and keep the 1Dx II at 12,800
- they look the same
- that is a 1 full stop improvement
- and that is not looking at the raise the shadow issue with the 5D2 / 5D3 where after 3 stops it falls completely apart
- the 1 Dx II allows another 1, almost 2, full stops of shadow recovery without all the red / magenta / banding / ugly stuff starting to show

I say all of the above, and I still think the 5DSR is a better camera up to ISO 3200 when you consider the end picture and trading off NR and pixel density to get a better / cleaner end picture. Above ISO 3200, the 1Dx II is going to win - but then again, the D5 is even better, and then again, the Sony A7S II is better yet again. Get the right tool for the job.

That's seriously odd. Yesterday, when I tried to compare 102,000, the 1Dxii didn't show up. And the 5D3 was *better* up to 12,800. I wonder if the site wasn't showing the correct images...




  
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May 10, 2016 14:05 |  #3729

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That's seriously odd. Yesterday, when I tried to compare 102,000, the 1Dxii didn't show up. And the 5D3 was *better* up to 12,800. I wonder if the site wasn't showing the correct images...

It confused me first as well initially - something about moving left and right over the arrows and it somehow seemed backwards - then I slowed down and it made more sense.

I think when all is said and done, the important improvements on the 1Dx II are:
- red AF point for dark shooting
- really accurate AF on moving targets
- good jpegs to 25.6k for sports
- 60fps 4k with 8meg frame grabs

A real improvement, but I don't think the buyers will notice
- 1 full stop DR improvement at ISO 100-200

The pixel peekers
- there is no doubt, that the quality of the noise in the darks, from a computer using NR software, has been made better such that if you know what you are doing, you can better clean up 25.6k files, such that 'joe public' thinks the picture is fine
- that said, unlike the 5DSR, which has enormous spare megapixels to use, the 1DX II does not - 20 is more than 18, but it isn't 50, and if you use more than a little NR, even with masking, it gets plasticy quickly - unlike the 5DSR - which Tony Northrup in his video correctly points out. All the above said, from the 1DX II files that I have played with in LR, I get my camera on Friday, one of the things I actually like the most is the ISO 100, large pixel, skin tones - they are actually beautiful. The crazy thing about the 1Dx II, is that it might be Canon's best ISO 100 people face skin tones camera. The Nikon is definitely almost a full stop better at extremely high ISOs.


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May 10, 2016 15:56 |  #3730

Interesting point about the 5Ds being made here, which coincides with some long time beliefs that we seem to have temporarily forgotten.

For example, going back to 8.5MP 1D2 and 16MP 1Ds2, the 1D2 with it's "larger" pixels had measurably better ISO noise performance out of the gate, which backed up the "larger pixels are better" school of thought.

However, at the same time, at the same ISO in the same lighting situations, the 1Ds2 final images even before processing, visually look cleaner. (when you viewing the images whole, not as a crop, on screen or printed)

More pixels appeared to = less visible noise, less blocky noise. This is an entirely opposite school of thought from "larger pixels are better" and as time goes on we see over and over again that the "more pixels are better" school of thought tends to win out.


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May 10, 2016 17:21 |  #3731

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Interesting point about the 5Ds being made here, which coincides with some long time beliefs that we seem to have temporarily forgotten.

For example, going back to 8.5MP 1D2 and 16MP 1Ds2, the 1D2 with it's "larger" pixels had measurably better ISO noise performance out of the gate, which backed up the "larger pixels are better" school of thought.

However, at the same time, at the same ISO in the same lighting situations, the 1Ds2 final images even before processing, visually look cleaner. (when you viewing the images whole, not as a crop, on screen or printed)

More pixels appeared to = less visible noise, less blocky noise. This is an entirely opposite school of thought from "larger pixels are better" and as time goes on we see over and over again that the "more pixels are better" school of thought tends to win out.

I'm not sure about that. My 5D3 always produced far cleaner files than my 7D2 in the same shooting conditions and the same exposure. I would notice this in less favourable light which included heavy overcast skies. 7D2 had that blocky noise. However the 5Ds is a different animal and I am not comparing apples to apples.


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May 10, 2016 17:27 |  #3732

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I'm not sure about that. My 5D3 always produced far cleaner files than my 7D2 in the same shooting conditions and the same exposure. I would notice this in less favourable light which included heavy overcast skies. 7D2 had that blocky noise. However the 5Ds is a different animal and I am not comparing apples to apples.

You're comparing a crop to a full frame though; it's a totally different ball game (more than twice the surface area - hence the full frame should have just over 1 stop advantage). It's only really an applicable comparison between two sensors of the same size.


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May 10, 2016 17:45 |  #3733

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You're comparing a crop to a full frame though; it's a totally different ball game (more than twice the surface area - hence the full frame should have just over 1 stop advantage). It's only really an applicable comparison between two sensors of the same size.

That is what I said. Not comparing apples to apples but pixel density does make a difference. The packed 7D2 is a light hungry sensor that needs light. If the 7D2 was 15 megapolis it would have been more forgiving. It is nice to see a 51 megapixel that clean. I sold my 5D3 for a 1DX II quest but am researching the 5DSR.


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May 10, 2016 18:51 |  #3734

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That is what I said. Not comparing apples to apples but pixel density does make a difference. The packed 7D2 is a light hungry sensor that needs light. If the 7D2 was 15 megapolis it would have been more forgiving. It is nice to see a 51 megapixel that clean. I sold my 5D3 for a 1DX II quest but am researching the 5DSR.

Since you are going to own a 1Dx II (i.e. a Canon), I sold my 5D3s for 5DSRs, it was a good decision for me, I love the files compared to the 5D3 files, but I also own a A7Rii, and since you are possibly looking for a Camera to 'compliment' a 1Dx II, I think the perfect compliment is a A7Rii - they are like complete opposites - and, imo, the A7Rii is the most perfect handheld / landscape & wide open / thin depth of field fast prime camera on the planet - add a Metabones IV T for your Canon glass


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