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May 13, 2016 13:05 |  #17506

203 degrees? That sounds like way too much. I thought good steak should always be cooked around 160 or so. Less if you like it medium rare. Not sure how that applies to brisket though.


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May 13, 2016 13:15 |  #17507

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Advice gratefully accepted here when it comes to brisket. I figure after about 4 or 5 hours to wrap in aluminum foil ("the crutch") and take it from there. I'm looking for an internal temp of 203°.

After about 3 hours of cooking time, the grill temp is holding pretty steady between 225° and 250°.

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Hah I'm more an expert when it comes to eating brisket, not so much smoking it myself. Cooking brisket is a test of patience that I don't have....most down here smoke it for 8-9 hours, while monitoring the fire and managing temperature throughout the entire process. There are people out here that literally make a hobby out of cooking brisket. I prefer the instant gratification of digital photography as a hobby :-)


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Im really jeallous of you US guys about beef. Swiss beef is like youd chew a gum :lol:

Good brisket down here will apart with a fork.

There's a reason the stereotypes of people in the U.S. being overweight exists....particularly in Texas. I actually don't eat red meat often, but will thrown down on some BBQ every once in a while. Incidentally, we're actually celebrating my son's first communion at a BBQ joint tomorrow. We'll be dressed nicely but smell like a smoker by the end of it all :-)


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May 13, 2016 13:36 |  #17508

Puckman wrote in post #18005857 (external link)
203 degrees? That sounds like way too much. I thought good steak should always be cooked around 160 or so. Less if you like it medium rare. Not sure how that applies to brisket though.

Steak is a lot different than brisket in terms of toughness. A brisket needs the time and temperature to break down the collagen in order to be tender. There are many schools of thought when it comes to when a brisket is "done" and I selected that temp based on what I've read. It's not cast in stone of course and if it feels done sooner, off it comes. This is more of a trial run and learning experience for me this time around.

For steak, here are the recommended temperatures for doneness. 160° would be way overdone for me.


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May 13, 2016 14:03 |  #17509

navydoc wrote in post #18005752 (external link)
Advice gratefully accepted here when it comes to brisket. I figure after about 4 or 5 hours to wrap in aluminum foil ("the crutch") and take it from there. I'm looking for an internal temp of 203°.

After about 3 hours of cooking time, the grill temp is holding pretty steady between 225° and 250°.

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We're not having anything as awesome as brisket tonight, but your post did put me in the mood to fire up the grill for supper. :)


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May 13, 2016 14:38 |  #17510

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May 13, 2016 14:40 |  #17511

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Thank you Gene. You're right. I was expecting that much rain though.

Thanks Carlo. You'll have a fantastic time. It's a special place with lots to explore.

Wailua Falls on the road to Hana on a very rainy day. No opportunity to hike closer to the falls since we had our 3 year and of course the heavy rain fall. One thing that helped me out was my Peak Designs rain cover. Worked out well.

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I really like this. distance is good enough, can see the beautiful trees surroundings the area :)




  
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May 13, 2016 14:44 |  #17512

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Dean, the Yosemite tunnel shots look great. With those clouds, I would try maybe a black and white conversion.

First contribution from my Maui trip. If you guys ever get the chance to go, please go! The scenes are breathtaking and diverse. You have the gorgeous beaches, incredible coastlines, rain forests, mountains, and more. We had about 3 days of bad weather with strong rain but that didn't stop us from getting out there with my wife and 3 year old to enjoy the island.

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very cool! did you get to go o to that one structure by the cliff in the picture? one of these days I will go to Maui. ive only been to Oahu.




  
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May 13, 2016 14:51 |  #17513

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Very nice stuff David!

I have been searching for a bag to replace my too-big LowePro. This seems like it might be the right size for me. Will have to check it out.
I also need to order a replacement for my Lee foundation kit. I stupidly sold it thinking I wanted to go with all screw-on filters. After the Yosemite trip, I came to the conclusion that it was too much work to screw/unscrew my NDs from one lens to another (often having to also add a step-up ring, since half my lenses are 67mm and the other half are 77mm).

The good news is that I had not sold my Haida ND square filters. So I'll go right back to using those.
Love Haida.

And a couple more shots from the tunnel view before I move on to something different:

The first is taken with the Sigma 35/1.4. What a great sharp lens for landscapes!
The 2nd is taken with the M-mount CV 15 III.

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first pic!! cant wait to see more.




  
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May 13, 2016 15:31 |  #17514

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For the 24-70 2.8 GM?

When I was shooting with the group this last weekend I was really surprised that some of the guys I really like were 70% on that type of zoom and I was cleaning dust a lot.

I love my TSE but can go a legacy cheaper option or fix in LR from the CV15 i have

Not starting a zoom vs prime here just can you pull what you need from the one lens vs the faster ones


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May 13, 2016 16:05 |  #17515

I'm sure this has been analyzed and discussed to the end of it all. But can you guys tell me who Sony is incredible bad with white balance? I have the A7rii and RX100III. And I used to own A6000. They're all a bit different, but none of them come even close to Canon. And I know Canon has its challenges, especially with the red channel. But I keep wondering why my A7rii is absolutely horrible in daylight and incandescent, regardless whether that's AWB or the respective default presets.


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May 13, 2016 16:10 |  #17516

My brisket was done in less time than I expected, probably due to it's size I imagine. After it reached the 203° mark, I took it off the grill and placed it, still wrapped, in my igloo cooler to allow it to rest and let the juices flow back into the muscle fibers (temp dropped a couple of degrees by the time I took this photo).

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After about 30 minutes in the cooler (to keep it warm in this case), I unwrapped the brisket and sliced against the grain. Then, the all important taste test.

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The texture is firmer than I had hoped for but it was nice and tender...and the flavor is great. It's very possible that my internal temp probe was giving me false readings because it probably could have cooked longer. Lessons learned!

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Here's a breakdown of my first brisket smokeout...

5:30 - place the brisket on the grill - grill temp varied between 200° & 250°

9:30 - wrap in aluminum foil (2 layers) - stalled at 154°

12:30 - remove from grill - achieved 203° - place in cooler to rest, kept foil on

1:00 - remove from wrap - carve against the grain

1:15 - Give'er the 'ol taste test - conclusion: not too shabby for my first attempt.


Total time: 7.75 hours

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May 13, 2016 16:21 |  #17517

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Would you sell

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For the 24-70 2.8 GM?

When I was shooting with the group this last weekend I was really surprised that some of the guys I really like were 70% on that type of zoom and I was cleaning dust a lot.

I love my TSE but can go a legacy cheaper option or fix in LR from the CV15 i have

Not starting a zoom vs prime here just can you pull what you need from the one lens vs the faster ones

Yep, I would do it. First, the FE 24-70mm is now the best 24-70 ever made. Second, the TS-E is just better on a native Canon body...only time I'm willing to put it on my Sony is when I'm doing more casual walk-around shooting. Third, you'd be getting a lens with a premier build quality (moisture/dust resistant/durable, etc.).

The only downside to your plan - imo - is it would cost you the excellent 55mm, otherwise it's all positive imo (admittedly this is coming from a guy who doesn't care too much about heavier lenses. A 24-70 f/2.8 on a Sony a7 bothers me not one bit).


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May 13, 2016 16:33 |  #17518

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I'm sure this has been analyzed and discussed to the end of it all. But can you guys tell me who Sony is incredible bad with white balance? I have the A7rii and RX100III. And I used to own A6000. They're all a bit different, but none of them come even close to Canon. And I know Canon has its challenges, especially with the red channel. But I keep wondering why my A7rii is absolutely horrible in daylight and incandescent, regardless whether that's AWB or the respective default presets.

I have no problem at all with natural light AWB ON MY a7R II, but it is a different story with artificial lights. In that regard my 5DS R is vastly superior to any other camera I have used.

The reason AWB is so much better on the 5DS is because Canon added a new AWB mode that absolutely nails the WB with artificial light. Even the 5D III is horrible by comparison. The 1DX II has the same feature, and I expect all future Canon cameras to have it.


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May 13, 2016 16:41 |  #17519

eriet30 wrote in post #18006020 (external link)
Would you sell

28/2
55/1.8
24TSEv2

For the 24-70 2.8 GM?

When I was shooting with the group this last weekend I was really surprised that some of the guys I really like were 70% on that type of zoom and I was cleaning dust a lot.

I love my TSE but can go a legacy cheaper option or fix in LR from the CV15 i have

Not starting a zoom vs prime here just can you pull what you need from the one lens vs the faster ones

do it

for me, life would be incomplete without at least one fast + small prime out of that group. I'de pick up an FE 50mm f1.8. Sure it's not as good as the FE 55, but it serves the purpose of a lightweight fast lens, which I shoot more often than not due to the convenience of a small setup. As good as the GM is, there are many times when a small setup is more suitable.

I dont like to pit one vs the other as I have a variety of lenses. Since your bread and butter is the GM, money there makes a whole lot of sense, just skimp on other areas. TL/DR; get a bit of both, shouldnt be one or the other IMO. If my FE 55 werent a gift, I might be tempted to downgrade to the FE 50 to free up funds for other stuff, but I'm ok with just saving up for other stuff.


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May 13, 2016 16:58 |  #17520

OoDee wrote in post #18006046 (external link)
I'm sure this has been analyzed and discussed to the end of it all. But can you guys tell me who Sony is incredible bad with white balance? I have the A7rii and RX100III. And I used to own A6000. They're all a bit different, but none of them come even close to Canon. And I know Canon has its challenges, especially with the red channel. But I keep wondering why my A7rii is absolutely horrible in daylight and incandescent, regardless whether that's AWB or the respective default presets.

My a7S is notably better than my a7R was for AWB, but my Fuji blows both away... I would say the a7S is better than my 6D was though.


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