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May 22, 2016 18:20 |  #17866

The weather was nice so I decided to go for a short ride:


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May 22, 2016 18:28 |  #17867

Beautiful!


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May 22, 2016 18:30 |  #17868

Puckman wrote in post #18015464 (external link)
Beautiful!

Thank you!

The A7RII makes working with colors a real pleasure. Always so accurate in any scenarios.


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May 22, 2016 19:42 |  #17869

My buddy James, I'm afraid I've started him down the path of the car enthusiast by inviting him to the rally last year :lol:

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May 22, 2016 20:05 |  #17870

Im a total failure as a wildlife photographer.

I was hiking and taking pics of petroglyphs in the Agua Fria monument. After the hike I was driving down the road.... oh whats that white thing and another...Oh its Pronghorn running in front of me. Where is my camera... in the back seat. Bah #1

Stop by the riverbed on my way out to try to get some bird photos I am always hopeful of the elusive Arizona cuckoo a very rare bird... river is running low pond areas are not there start to head back and hear rustling in the bushes... hmm just a lizard but I will go look... oh wait its a snake at my feet (check for rattles) pause (check again) nope line up the camera to get the Glossey Snake 5' long and pretty tame but big.... totally forgot about the rustling till i put the camera up to my eye and as I am focusing on the snake see something out of the corner of my other eye.... yup it was a lizard a frickin Gila Monster.... got a shot of its butt before it was gone... go back to get the snake and he has moved so not such a good shot.

Disappointed head back to the car but take a wrong path and have to cut through some thick underbrush and trees..... as I am coming out of the trees to the trail I see something.

Dog.. no... a dog would have a person... coyote no....I pop out and it is passing by almost stepping on me... looks up and keeps moving.... Its a frickin BOBCAT. I totally stand there two cameras in my hand. The 6300 with the 70-200 which is turned off and my A7rii with the 90 macro turned on.... grab that and start walk shooting with it just pointed the direction of the now just strolling in front of me Cat... i hear the motor zooming in and out.. bah i had it on close focus... Throw it over my shoulder mount up the 6300.... cat is a little further ahead. I am still not right in the head because I am photog in one part of my brain observer in another and something like my mom is in my head going "its got rabies your going to die".... get a few shots of its butt then try to circle around it in an opening I know is comming up Get there just behind it and it starts to growl ... loudly never looked at me but paused for a sec.... am I shooting ... no the rabies comment is in my head.

Best shot I got was this out of focus one

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Sigh need to stick to static wildlife

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May 22, 2016 20:06 |  #17871

So today's been one of those days where frustration rules and makes me reconsider this whole Sony thing.
Went to the civil war reenactment that Gene was at yesterday.
Tried using the a7rii with the EF-70-200/4 to capture the battle in fairly harsh lighting.
The AF was an exercise in frustration.
The Sony AF as powerful as it is for certain things, simply does not play well with adapted lenses.
Shooting in bursts causes the camera to Lock up while it writes to the card.
Trying to review what I just shot, forget about it.
Focus recompose does not work very well with lenses like the sigma 35 art (field curvature) and seems to be the best way to AF when usIng adapted lenses (the AF-c seems iffy to me every time I try it).
Then I come home and try to go slow. 35art on the 6D is a pleasure to use.
The canons are just so much more intuitive it feels natural.
I fought with th Sony menus and settings all day. Each time I thought to try a different setting for something, I wasted minutes trying to find it and set it.
But then, after coming home and playing w the 6d a bit, I put the FE 90 on the Sony and shot the wife and dog in AF-C and it's a pleasure to use with native lenses (eye and face AF).
I'm half tempted to go back to canon and half tempted to go all native with Sony. No more adapted lenses! Such a pain.


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May 22, 2016 20:36 |  #17872

I agree that if great AF performance is a critical need then native lens are the way to go. That was something that made me hesitate to buy the Sigma 20 over either Batis 18 or 25.

I did go ahead and order the Sigma (arrives tomorrow), but if AF proves a pain in low light shooting I might send it back and choose a Batis instead.


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May 22, 2016 20:41 |  #17873

To be clear, when shooting landscapes or architecture or static subjects, on a tripod, or whathaveyou, the Sony is a stellar camera. specially for landscape.

This really wasn't even about autofocusing on sports or wildlife or anything that drastic. Just a bunch of folks in uniforms running around and canons firing (see gene's post from yesterday).
My struggles were more with the camera's lack of intuitiveness. It's almost like there are too many settings and too many options, and I often find myself missing important moments and shots while I struggle to adjust this and that (and the menus don't help).
Even trying to shoot portraits (which I admittedly don't do much) never feels natural with the Sony and adapted lenses.
It's just a clunky unnatural, unintuitive camera, with a fantastic sensor, and some great bells and whistles (eyeAF, smooth reflections app) around it.


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May 22, 2016 20:44 |  #17874

eriet30 wrote in post #18015535 (external link)
Sigh need to stick to static wildlife

Go to Cabelas or a Bass Pro shop and get some very "static" wildlife shots. :grin:

Sorry you didn't get more shots, but wow, those are some amazing wildlife experiences!


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May 22, 2016 21:13 as a reply to  @ Puckman's post |  #17875

I have an idea: we should trade cameras. I'll send you my 5DS R and you send me your a7R II. :)

I truly am seriously mulling the idea of selling my 5DS R and adding a second a7R II.

That said, Canon is indeed phenomenally good at making intuitive cameras imo.


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May 22, 2016 21:23 |  #17876

eriet30 wrote in post #18015535 (external link)
Im a total failure as a wildlife photographer.

I was hiking and taking pics of petroglyphs in the Agua Fria monument. After the hike I was driving down the road.... oh whats that white thing and another...Oh its Pronghorn running in front of me. Where is my camera... in the back seat. Bah #1

Stop by the riverbed on my way out to try to get some bird photos I am always hopeful of the elusive Arizona cuckoo a very rare bird... river is running low pond areas are not there start to head back and hear rustling in the bushes... hmm just a lizard but I will go look... oh wait its a snake at my feet (check for rattles) pause (check again) nope line up the camera to get the Glossey Snake 5' long and pretty tame but big.... totally forgot about the rustling till i put the camera up to my eye and as I am focusing on the snake see something out of the corner of my other eye.... yup it was a lizard a frickin Gila Monster.... got a shot of its butt before it was gone... go back to get the snake and he has moved so not such a good shot.

Disappointed head back to the car but take a wrong path and have to cut through some thick underbrush and trees..... as I am coming out of the trees to the trail I see something.

Dog.. no... a dog would have a person... coyote no....I pop out and it is passing by almost stepping on me... looks up and keeps moving.... Its a frickin BOBCAT. I totally stand there two cameras in my hand. The 6300 with the 70-200 which is turned off and my A7rii with the 90 macro turned on.... grab that and start walk shooting with it just pointed the direction of the now just strolling in front of me Cat... i hear the motor zooming in and out.. bah i had it on close focus... Throw it over my shoulder mount up the 6300.... cat is a little further ahead. I am still not right in the head because I am photog in one part of my brain observer in another and something like my mom is in my head going "its got rabies your going to die".... get a few shots of its butt then try to circle around it in an opening I know is comming up Get there just behind it and it starts to growl ... loudly never looked at me but paused for a sec.... am I shooting ... no the rabies comment is in my head.

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Sigh need to stick to static wildlife

Well reading this made me feel a bit better about my day.
But this is pretty much an exact play by play of my shooting experience today, only with other things instead of wildlife (trains, engines, civil war re-enactors).
Same end result. I really don't know if it's more me or more the camera (obviously, I'm its operator, so it's me in the end), but things just don't come easy to me and when the tool is harder to use, has too many settings, or is unintuitive....well...​that doesn't help.


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May 22, 2016 21:24 |  #17877

You were selling the A7RII not a week ago :)
Just sayin....


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May 22, 2016 21:34 as a reply to  @ Puckman's post |  #17878

Actually that was several weeks back, but otherwise you're right.

I tried. Even posted it for sale on FM. But, I just couldn't bring myself to go through with it. I've done the same with my Otus 55 multiple times: post it for sale and withdraw it the same day. I really appreciate those experiences because it really hammers home what I can't live without. :)


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May 22, 2016 21:37 |  #17879

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Maui Ocean Center is a fantastic place to see sea animals.

Here is an energetic octopus on the move

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When my daughter was young, it was right around when "Finding Nemo" came out and the interest in marine life was high. I used to take her to the aquarium frequently and found an excellent product to help shoot through the glass without getting reflections. Check out Lenskirt (external link). It also comes in larger size for use with ultra-wideangle applications. It's handy for shooting cityscapes through hotel or skyscraper observatory (like Willis Tower and London Shard) window.



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May 22, 2016 21:44 |  #17880

David Arbogast wrote in post #18015631 (external link)
I have an idea: we should trade cameras. I'll send you my 5DS R and you send me your a7R II. :)

I truly am seriously mulling the idea of selling my 5DS R and adding a second a7R II.

That said, Canon is indeed phenomenally good at making intuitive cameras imo.

I could almost take you up on that offer :-)

I've gotten accustomed to dividing task between Canon and Fuji. My A7RII has become somewhat of a third wheel at this moment. The other day, I used it for my daughter's spring orchestra concert with 100-400L II attached via Metabones IV and mounted on a monopod. For some reason, AF did not function so took the whole concert in MF. Having not used Sony for a while, its menu was like labyrinth and the controls were so unergonomic my right hand kept cramping. I did really appreciate the completely silent shutter (and I'm sure the parents sitting around me), however.



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