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May 30, 2016 18:40 |  #1

I see some posts where there is a mattress on the floor and the walls are filthy dirty. I saw another post that was done on some cheesy tablecloth on the table in someones old kitchen.

If I was a model, and you guys brought me in there, I would run for the hills. That is the most unprofessional looking photos I have ever looked at on here, and the one in the kitchen was a guy taking his own wife there to let a photographer shoot her!




  
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May 30, 2016 19:58 |  #2

Brad999 wrote in post #18024181 (external link)
I see some posts where there is a mattress on the floor and the walls are filthy dirty. I saw another post that was done on some cheesy tablecloth on the table in someones old kitchen.

If I was a model, and you guys brought me in there, I would run for the hills. That is the most unprofessional looking photos I have ever looked at on here, and the one in the kitchen was a guy taking his own wife there to let a photographer shoot her!

Good thing your not the model then. The mattress on the floor, that photographer has shot a lot in that exact same setting, I'm sure their models have seen the images that come out of that space. Not every setting needs to be or should be a blown out white background or a perfect studio setting. You work with what you got. That's the nice thing about art, your opinion really does not matter, if you don't like it move on to the next piece. For every image you don't like I'm sure there's someone who loves it.




  
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May 30, 2016 23:49 |  #3

I agree with littlejon, professionalism isn't a squeaky clean location, professionalism is delivering on the brief.

What exactly are you looking for with this thread you have created? Some form of validation? Because I don't see any questions posed or discussions started here besides insulting other's work. I understand it's not your style, but it is theirs and they are doing it very well judging by the amount of models requesting the same style of images.


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May 31, 2016 09:59 |  #4

Some people think cucumbers taste better pickled.


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May 31, 2016 10:43 |  #5

Littlejon Dsgn wrote in post #18024258 (external link)
That's the nice thing about art, your opinion really does not matter, if you don't like it move on to the next piece. For every image you don't like I'm sure there's someone who loves it.

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What exactly are you looking for with this thread you have created? I understand it's not your style, but it is theirs and they are doing it very well judging by the amount of models requesting the same style of images.

Brad999 was no doubt inspired by a series of comments on a recent G&N boudoir set that not everyone thought was appealingly boudoirish. Members put forward contrary opinions there, too. It seemed to me that tastes were firmly established and no minds were going to change. You have your cucumber people and your pickle people. I happen to agree with Brad, a messy indoor setting undermines glamour, but I don't expect that further discussion would convince anyone.


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May 31, 2016 10:55 |  #6

OhLook wrote in post #18024874 (external link)
Brad999 was no doubt inspired by a series of comments on a recent G&N boudoir set that not everyone thought was appealingly boudoirish. Members put forward contrary opinions there, too. It seemed to me that tastes were firmly established and no minds were going to change. You have your cucumber people and your pickle people. I happen to agree with Brad, a messy indoor setting undermines glamour, but I don't expect that further discussion would convince anyone.

This is just my thinking here. Its ok to not like something, but whats the point of starting a new thread and calling out other peoples work. Its things like this thread that keep people from posting. Its happening in more and more threads, heck there is a poster here that has amazing work, yet there is discussion in every post about the models looks ...... WHY?




  
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May 31, 2016 12:08 |  #7

Littlejon Dsgn wrote in post #18024886 (external link)
WHY?

Because having strong feelings makes people want to speak up?


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Jun 16, 2016 04:33 |  #8

The result is what counts. As long it is not dangerous it is fit for me and the model.

If the result is not there, then it was not worth the effort and time to move to an other location.




  
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Jun 18, 2016 14:26 |  #9

Littlejon Dsgn wrote in post #18024886 (external link)
This is just my thinking here. Its ok to not like something, but whats the point of starting a new thread and calling out other peoples work. Its things like this thread that keep people from posting. Its happening in more and more threads, heck there is a poster here that has amazing work, yet there is discussion in every post about the models looks ...... WHY?

Why? Well, we all have our own kinds and measures of ignorance and intolerance.

I, for one, have an immediate negative response (aka intolerance) to a woman put into what seems to be a threatening or unhappy situation but appreciate that might be exactly the response the team of model and shooter were trying to evoke.


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Jun 20, 2016 18:23 as a reply to  @ Littlejon Dsgn's post |  #10

I can't post in the Glamour and Nude section, so I made my own post. I believe that some people can't see the forest for the trees. If one guy has been shooting hundreds of models in that location, and it takes me to point out that it looks gross, maybe he will suddenly see it and the next pictures will be much better once he gets a paintbrush out. The second instance I believe is someone new to the genre and settling for 2nd best and if someone tells him straight up without beating around the bush, he will search out a more glamorous setting for his wife. The discussion might help sway other photographers into raising the bar with their models and locations.




  
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Jun 20, 2016 19:03 |  #11

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I believe that some people can't see the forest for the trees. . . . The discussion might help sway other photographers into raising the bar with their models and locations.

I predict that you'll get pushback for that post. Photographers whose images look cheesy to you (and me) may think of them as casual and friendly instead and won't want to be told to pursue your ideals rather than theirs. The most you can say is that you prefer a cleaner environment, a more refined pose, or whatnot.

Discussions about G&N shots can get very contentious. Just recently . . .


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Jun 21, 2016 10:03 |  #12

Brad999 wrote in post #18045255 (external link)
I can't post in the Glamour and Nude section, so I made my own post. I believe that some people can't see the forest for the trees. If one guy has been shooting hundreds of models in that location, and it takes me to point out that it looks gross, maybe he will suddenly see it and the next pictures will be much better once he gets a paintbrush out. The second instance I believe is someone new to the genre and settling for 2nd best and if someone tells him straight up without beating around the bush, he will search out a more glamorous setting for his wife. The discussion might help sway other photographers into raising the bar with their models and locations.

I see. You want to help shooters who need your discerning eye and expertise but want to do so in bulk and using generalities rather than sending private messages. Best of luck with that.


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Jun 21, 2016 11:34 |  #13

AZGeorge wrote in post #18045815 (external link)
I see. You want to help shooters who need your discerning eye and expertise but want to do so in bulk and using generalities rather than sending private messages. Best of luck with that.

But it may make some sense to do it that way. Isn't a public shaming more effective as a deterrent than just pulling someone aside and speaking to them in a humble, respectful manner?
If the OP does not care about courtesy and respect - and it is his option not to - then doing what he deems most effective may best suit his purpose.

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