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Jul 06, 2016 21:32 |  #1

A friend and I have been volunteering for the past 3 years as event photographers for a few different charities. We shoot their galas, fund raising events, etc... We are getting busier and the schedule has been getting pretty full. We mostly shoot in event spaces like banquet halls and similar venues. We're also starting to get requests to do other types of work like sporting events outside, shows, etc...

Right now I'm shooting with the EF-S 17-55 2.8 on a 7D MKII. I would like to upgrade the glass if I could. While the image quality can be amazing out of the lens, I find sometimes it can be a little off. Also, the autofocus can be a bit of a pain and it doesn't always focus where I need it to. I'm also starting to find the reach to not be long enough at times when you're trying to do candids or isolation shots in a group/crowd. Ideally I would love to get the EF 28-70 2.8 L but seeing as this venture isn't bringing in money at this point, it's a little bit pricey for me right now.

Are they any suggestions on something that would be a good replacement for the 17-55 that would be almost "L-level"?

While I primarily shoot events, I do want to start expanding on my portfolio and would like to get into portraits (yes I know...a prime!) and landscapes.

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Jul 06, 2016 21:44 |  #2

Im thinking of a 24-105L F4 and throw in a manual focus fish eye lens for like $250 and you're set.


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Jul 06, 2016 21:45 |  #3

There is nothing wrong with the EF-S 17-55 2.8. If you have issues I would look elsewhere. Like how you post edit.
The ef 24-70mm f2.8L II is the best lens of this type on the planet. It has a price tag to go with it.
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These will cover 95% of anything or any event you will normally come across.
I use them on my 1Ds Mk III and 1D Mk IV.


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Jul 06, 2016 21:50 |  #4

The 17-55 is "L-level" but Canon will never designate an EF-S lens (crop body lens) as such because it would be poor marketing strategy. If you want more reach, I would suggest a 70-200 or, to keep costs at a minimum, a fast prime such as the 85 1.8



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Jul 06, 2016 21:53 |  #5

mannetti21 wrote in post #18059935 (external link)
The 17-55 is "L-level" but Canon will never designate an EF-S lens (crop body lens) as such ...

It is far from "L" quality besides its very good IQ. The build and weather sealing isn't even in the same zip code.


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Jul 06, 2016 21:54 |  #6

if 3rd party is ok with you.

may I suggest 18-35mm f/1.8 HSM DC A and 50-100mm f/1.8 HSM DC A from sigma.

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Jul 06, 2016 22:02 |  #7

There unfortunately isn't much of an upgrade path from that lens. The IQ isn't as great (wide open) as some of the alternative large aperture lenses. The 24-70 loses quite a bit on the wide end of the range even if you get the 2.8 variety. There are third party lenses available, such as the 18-35 ART, but that will further limit your focal length range. Are the venues you shoot conducive to bounce flash photography? If so, you might be able to transition to a EF-S 18-135 STM (or USM) and give up aperature for focal length and light from the flash.




  
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Jul 06, 2016 22:39 |  #8

ebiggs wrote in post #18059942 (external link)
It is far from "L" quality besides its very good IQ. The build and weather sealing isn't even in the same zip code.

Just off the top of my head, I can think of a handful of L lenses that are not weather sealed and build quality is somewhat of a subjective matter. I can also think of a few L lenses that have plastic bodies. Some may consider only metal body lenses to be of the highest build quality. You see, that is the problem (or Canon's success) with people putting every red-ringed lens on a pedestal. There are these assumptions that if it has a red ring, it must be *insert positive attribute here*.

Regardless, OP only mentioned he wasn't happy with image quality, specifically. So in that sense, he essentially has an "L quality" lens already.



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Jul 07, 2016 00:14 |  #9

What kind of a budget are you looking at? Off the top of my head, the 24-70 2.8 II, 85mm 1.8/1.4 and 135 f/2 and/or Sigma 50-100 1.8 come to mind as options to fill in the shortcomings you're indicating.


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Jul 07, 2016 01:02 |  #10

24-70 f2.8L II + 135L

24-105 is good, but i think you only upgrade the versatility, not the IQ.




  
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Jul 07, 2016 07:52 |  #11

I don't see anywhere the OP says image quality is in question on the 17-55, only the focus is a little off at times. With events, that could just be shoot wide open and people moving a bit? Focus/recompose? 7D2 has AF over the whole FOV basically, so hopefully it's not that.


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Jul 07, 2016 08:57 |  #12

17-55 suffers from RSA. If OOF happens up close and stopped down, open the aperture.




  
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Jul 07, 2016 10:53 |  #13

Thanks everyone for the responses!

The IQ out of the 17-55 is usually super sharp and great. To be honest, any issues I've had as been indoors / lowlight and it's more often than not my own fault as I'm still working on my lighting skills (which need a lot of work!).

I would like to move up to the next level. My partner has 2 L series lenses and I can see a difference at times in the IQ between similar shots we've taken. He's also shooting on a 7DII.

I would like a little extra reach so that's why I was thinking the 28-70 although I am worried that 28 might not be that wide on a crop. While the price is a little more than I want to spend at the moment for it, I know the rule is you invest in your glass. Also, I will eventually move to full frame so having an EF lens will be necessary at that point. I wish Sigma had something in the ART line that was close to the Canon lens.

I also plan on getting a good prime but right now I am only shooting with one body at these events so that's why I was looking at a telephoto right now. Yes, I could switch lenses during the event which is something that I can look at doing.




  
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Jul 07, 2016 12:25 |  #14

I know one lady she is running portrait sessions in studio few times per year north from Toronto. And getting paid for it :)
All she use is old 17-50 lens. She also have done some HDR landscape work with same lens and it was well received.

28 zoom end on crop sometimes might be not wide enough to cover event with single lens. And tele end isn't good fo candids in the crowd, especially.
If you are official photog for these events, set it at 18, bump ISO, close the aperture and get close for candids. Focus and special feel of presence as result of this are going to be superior to separate, out of the content, faces taken from the distance.

I photographed many local events in our town with Rebel kit lens and moved to L series on FF. From my own experience, yes, I could see the difference from L on my computer screen with dedicated graphic card. BUT, nobody cares at the other end. 99% of viewers can't see the difference, because most of them will have quick look on it from their phone by checking event page on FB. And even if some shots will ended up printed, still none of them will care about the difference between L and Rebel kit lens.


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Jul 07, 2016 18:59 |  #15

my first thought is to get a 2nd body...or get another complementing lens...there's a reason the lenses come off the camera, it's because one lens can't do it all...if you want longer candids go for a longer prime, like the 85 f1.8, or 100 f2...85 f1.8 can be had for pretty cheap...7DII seems like an interesting choice for event photography


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