Sold Canon 16-35 f4L IS, replace with... (also partyphotography)

Should I wait till the Venus Optics/Laowa arrives in Europe and is there a release date allready in Europe ? (when ordering online we have lots of extra custom taxes)

-Some say buy the Samyang 14 2.8 and correct the distortion in 1 click.
-With this I have extra cash to rebuy the Sigma 15 2.8 for partyphotography

It's for a bit of everything, architecture outside & inside,... partyphotography wouldn't be advised I guess with a manual 12 2.8
In past I did partyphotography with the Sigma 15 2.8 Fisheye, the fisheye effect gives great partyfeeling in clubs, it's more flashy.

I would love to buy the fisheye back, but the price of the Venus Optics won't drop till 500 USD probably to buy both
I think it will be only the Venus Optics 12 2.8 and partyphotography with my 24-70 2.8L MKI.

In the beginning I hope the Venus Optics would be arround the price of the Samyang (as it's also manual focussing), but it's the same price as the Canon 16-35 f4L IS (which is over the top)
Only the first 10 kickstart buyers could get $300 reduction

I think u need the 12mm Rokinon fisheye. Problem solved for everything and using fisheye hemi it cleans up nicely

I have some Astro stuff with my 12mm I'm fixing to post within the next week

Talley is right. Sig 15 FE is fantastic. Rok. 12 is better. And no annoying AF.

Question : when there is a group of people on a party, on which aperture is everything sharp then with the manual 12mm fisheye & flash ?

CanonYouCan wrote in post #18088971
Question : when there is a group of people on a party, on which aperture is everything sharp then with the manual 12mm fisheye & flash ?

I find the question a bit ambiguous. All the people in focus? Everything in the photo? If everything, is the DOF 10' or 10 miles?

The Rokinon 12mm FE is extremely sharp wide open, like any other lens, in the plane of focus. Stopping down to f/5.6 and focusing at 5' will result in EVERYTHING in focus from 3' to infinity, but stuff more than 10-12' from the lens will be relatively small. If you have critical focus issues with this lens, use LiveView 10X while manually focusing. If you give me some parameters, I'll take a few test shots for you.

I am standing about 100' from the near corner of the house, 175' from the barn. Both shots are manually focused at about 6'. The first shot is f/2.8, the second f/8. The telephone pole is razor sharp in both; it is about 4' from me.

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First shot is from about 2', focused at 3', and f/2.8. The tree in the background is about 50' from the camera, noticeably blurry at full size, and is very blurry at 100%.

Second shot is from about 3', focused at 3', and f/8. The tree in the background is adequately sharp at full size, and barely noticeably blurry at 100%.

This lens has HUGE DOF, if when you need it.

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First shot is at f/2.8, MFD, 10X LV. Focus is on large flower at bottom center. Second is 100% crop. This lens is sharp wide open.

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A very quick edit using the 12mm. Defished with fisheye-hemi and my first astro edit ever. It's a single 20s exposure, 2.8 and ISO 1600. I used the 1/32 test fire of the 600RT to light the sign.

I probably suck at the editing part.

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Just curious as to why you sold the 16-35mm. Isnt it generally considered the best wide angle? I had the Samyang 14mm and sold it in order to save for the 16-35 f4.

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I am standing about 100' from the near corner of the house, 175' from the barn. Both shots are manually focused at about 6'. The first shot is f/2.8, the second f/8. The telephone pole is razor sharp in both; it is about 4' from me.

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Bassat, your WB is totally random

Cause 2mm is a lot wider + for the f2.8 and after I saw the gallery of stunning flickr shots with the Laowa at 12mm.
I also thought the price of the Laowa Venus Optics would be half the price of the Canon as it's manual focussing and I would have some cash left for a fisheye, but it's the same price

asr10user wrote in post #18089297
Just curious as to why you sold the 16-35mm. Isnt it generally considered the best wide angle? I had the Samyang 14mm and sold it in order to save for the 16-35 f4.