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Wedding Photographer in Chicago 9/3/16. Got stiffed

 
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Aug 19, 2016 23:03 as a reply to  @ post 18099631 |  #16

OP, I would suggest you read this. The photographer's contract may say no refunds but that may not be legally enforceable. http://www.legalphotop​ro.com …-l-law-for-photographers/ (external link)


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Aug 19, 2016 23:17 |  #17

Tommydigi wrote in post #18099610 (external link)
Well I don't know all the details but I do know that 1400 of the 1800 due was paid. I guess the final 400 was due and they did not pay it so they cancelled. I would assume their contract states they can do this but I feel this is ethically wrong...

Bingo - the missing information.


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Aug 20, 2016 07:06 |  #18

This situation is exactly I why I DON'T require full payment before the wedding. I take an initial deposit to book, and the balance on the wedding day. I'm sure one day I'll get burned, but obviously nothing gets edited until it's paid.

It's important to me on the wedding day that the bride and groom are comfortable with me. If there's been issues with payment in the weeks leading up to the wedding, I wouldn't want that to affect the mood.


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Aug 20, 2016 10:52 as a reply to  @ Archibald's post |  #19

I don't get the bingo. They only owed 400 that they tried to pay

They got an email at 8 am telling her the 400 was due. She called back at 11 and they said it's too late.

They also claimed they would assign a photograph 3 months before the wedding and that happened a week ago. I understand rules of a contract but imo this is wrong considering they did try to pay. Again this is my opinion and I don't care to argue this. I came here to ask about a photograph.

I guess they did finally talk to someone in charge and agreed to do the video since my niece already hired someone else so it all worked out.


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Aug 20, 2016 10:57 as a reply to  @ rebelsimon's post |  #20

Exactly. Again as a Dj I only take a few hundred just to hold the date. I think it sets an ungly tone if you are demanding money first.


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Aug 20, 2016 11:03 |  #21

rebelsimon wrote in post #18100673 (external link)
This situation is exactly I why I DON'T require full payment before the wedding. I take an initial deposit to book, and the balance on the wedding day. I'm sure one day I'll get burned, but obviously nothing gets edited until it's paid.

It's important to me on the wedding day that the bride and groom are comfortable with me. If there's been issues with payment in the weeks leading up to the wedding, I wouldn't want that to affect the mood.


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...the only time you might get 'stiffed' was if the wedding fell apart during the honeymoon and the previews were a moot issue. But then I wasn't out the cost of a customized leather album cover, mattes, and prints that were included, either!

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OP, I would suggest you read this. The photographer's contract may say no refunds but that may not be legally enforceable. http://www.legalphotop​ro.com …-l-law-for-photographers/ (external link)

Dan's link raises some good considerations about right vs. wrong wording in contracts.

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Aug 20, 2016 11:24 |  #22

Tommydigi wrote in post #18099118 (external link)
... paid $1800 upfront...


Tommydigi wrote in post #18099545 (external link)
... They paid 1400 of the 1800 due...


Archibald wrote in post #18100493 (external link)
Bingo - the missing information.

Tommydigi wrote in post #18100823 (external link)
I don't get the bingo...

You told a fib in your first post.


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Aug 20, 2016 11:34 |  #23

I thought she said 1800 paid, I posted it was 1400 when I found out a few posts down if you look. Still they tried to pay the full amount so its irrelevant.

Still taking the 1400 of the 18 and than saying no is just as rotten. If it follows a contract fine but I would never recommend someone who did this.


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Aug 20, 2016 16:43 |  #24

By this time there is nothing else to say. Hire the difference one is the only way. Even if you make him show up he could have shooting the wedding with the iPhone or the point and shoot camera.


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Aug 20, 2016 20:00 |  #25

Dan Marchant wrote in post #18100485 (external link)
OP, I would suggest you read this. The photographer's contract may say no refunds but that may not be legally enforceable. http://www.legalphotop​ro.com …-l-law-for-photographers/ (external link)

In our contract, it clearly states no refund on the deposit if cancelled by the client and we always demand half. Where we have legal ground is we booked the date for them and if they cancel, it is a good possibility we will not be able to fill the date depending on the time frame. We actually lose money if it cancels and we cannot re-book it. And that affects our income which we base on our clients keeping to their word. My brother is a lawyer. :)


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Aug 26, 2016 09:12 |  #26

Tommydigi wrote in post #18100862 (external link)
I thought she said 1800 paid, I posted it was 1400 when I found out a few posts down if you look. Still they tried to pay the full amount so its irrelevant.

Still taking the 1400 of the 18 and than saying no is just as rotten. If it follows a contract fine but I would never recommend someone who did this.

If the couple was only short $400, I would shoot the wedding as agreed. I would NOT release or edit any images until I was paid in full.


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Sep 04, 2016 11:33 |  #27

rebelsimon wrote in post #18100673 (external link)
This situation is exactly I why I DON'T require full payment before the wedding. I take an initial deposit to book, and the balance on the wedding day. I'm sure one day I'll get burned, but obviously nothing gets edited until it's paid.

It's important to me on the wedding day that the bride and groom are comfortable with me. If there's been issues with payment in the weeks leading up to the wedding, I wouldn't want that to affect the mood.

Exactly. To add: nothing gets delivered until it's paid in full. They want their photos therefore they will most likely pay. Worked for me so far.


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Sep 06, 2016 22:07 as a reply to  @ fontanka's post |  #28

Perhaps we are only seeing one side of the story. It seems to me the OP is reporting faithfully what he knows but perhaps he isn't getting the whole story up front.

In any case, if the client was ready to pay three hours after being notified and the photography firm declined, it sounds like they cancelled at the last minute and were acting in less than good faith. I can't imagine anyone here would not allow a three hour (or even 24 hour) grace period. And if not, notification by email with such a short window...not even a phone call or even a text for an $1800 transaction when the client has demonstrated $1400 worth of commitment?

Preparing for a wedding is stressful and if the photographer is indeed booked for the time and is ready to shoot, this should be a non-issue.

If this is the real story, small claims court first. Honest reviews on Yelp and wedding sites after that. Our industry doesn't need this.

If there has been significant material differences between what happened and the story as presented, that may be another matter....


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Sep 12, 2016 09:44 |  #29

Here in Canada paying before the wedding is a pretty much industry standard. Gong to court or media/internet could help.


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Oct 10, 2016 23:10 as a reply to  @ mcap1972's post |  #30

Same thing around here. Deposit locks down the date, paid in full no less than 14 days before the wedding. The deposit is non-refundable. I've had two weddings this year alone that canceled the wedding less than a month after paying the deposit. Neither one balked. It's clearly stated in the contract and I make a point of it being clear before anything is signed.


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