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Aug 25, 2016 08:25 |  #1

What's everyone's take on an add posted by CanonPriceWatch.com about a store selling 5D3 for $1899.00. They advertise it as (Grey Market) and "imported" new unit. And this is their quote.....

"Elec.Valley via eBay is a reputable unauthorized dealer. This is a grey market / import body for which a Canon warranty is not guaranteed. Canon USA has historically honored the warranty, but this is at their discretion. They may call to confirm your order — be sure to decline any upsells".

Is this legit or stay away????


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Aug 25, 2016 15:52 |  #2

CPW seems well liked and they try to help people get the best deals. Many people have purchased grey market items and had good experiences.

Personally, if I'm spending that amount of money on a new item, I want to make sure I have a warranty. You can purchase a 5D3 refurbished body from Canon direct for $200 more and know you have a valid warranty (same as new.) That $200 is worth it to me. If it was, say, a $1000 difference, then I might take the chance on one that they may or may not honor the warranty...just my opinion.


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Aug 25, 2016 15:57 |  #3

Wait a month.


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Aug 25, 2016 16:03 |  #4

Canon reiterated within the past year that they WILL NOT honor warranty claims for grey market imported cameras. ...i.e. send it to an independent to repair.

https://www.usa.canon.​com …oducts/groups/g​ray-market (external link)

In late 2015, Canon sued several widely-known gray market retailers, including Get It Digital, All New Shop, F&E Trading (which owns Big Value, Electronics Valley, Electronics Basket, DavisMax, Netsales and Sixth Avenue). In addition to seeking the shutdown of the gray market dealers, Canon USA is also asking for the profits earned by those dealers from selling gray market goods. “The damages sought by Canon in these lawsuits could very well reach into the millions of dollars and put these companies out of business for good,” writes Photography Bay.


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Aug 25, 2016 21:47 |  #5

Wilt wrote in post #18106163 (external link)
Canon reiterated within the past year that they WILL NOT honor warranty claims for grey market imported cameras. ...i.e. send it to an independent to repair.

https://www.usa.canon.​com …oducts/groups/g​ray-market (external link)

In late 2015, Canon sued several widely-known gray market retailers, including Get It Digital, All New Shop, F&E Trading (which owns Big Value, Electronics Valley, Electronics Basket, DavisMax, Netsales and Sixth Avenue). In addition to seeking the shutdown of the gray market dealers, Canon USA is also asking for the profits earned by those dealers from selling gray market goods. “The damages sought by Canon in these lawsuits could very well reach into the millions of dollars and put these companies out of business for good,” writes Photography Bay.

What Canon USA says, and what Canon USA does, are two different things.

Their policy is to not accept grey market items for warranty service; however, we haven't heard of any reports of being denied for warranty service on a grey market item, even after this lawsuit and "grey market crackdown".




  
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Aug 25, 2016 23:09 |  #6

PhotoPrice wrote in post #18106534 (external link)
What Canon USA says, and what Canon USA does, are two different things.

Their policy is to not accept grey market items for warranty service; however, we haven't heard of any reports of being denied for warranty service on a grey market item, even after this lawsuit and "grey market crackdown".


I cannot disagree, Canon policy has always been in place but not well observed (in comparison to Nikon's enforcement of policy)


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Aug 31, 2016 23:08 |  #7

I bought my 5dIII on eBay from one of the grey market importers. No problems and I'd do it again.


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Sep 01, 2016 02:55 |  #8

Canon seems to have better QC with bodies overall (former Canon user, current Nikon, as well as Fuji and Sony in the past too) than anyone else. They're the one brand I wouldn't think twice about buying a grey market body. Worst case scenario (on the off chance there's something wrong with the body) you can try Canon, or go to a 3rd party for repair...on the bright side the 5D3 is older so 3rd party repair centers should have parts. On a related note, my friend has 2 grey 5D3's (had them for about 2 and 3 years now) and neither has any issues.




  
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Sep 01, 2016 05:17 |  #9

tdlavigne wrote in post #18113312 (external link)
Canon seems to have better QC with bodies overall (former Canon user, current Nikon, as well as Fuji and Sony in the past too) than anyone else. They're the one brand I wouldn't think twice about buying a grey market body. Worst case scenario (on the off chance there's something wrong with the body) you can try Canon, or go to a 3rd party for repair...on the bright side the 5D3 is older so 3rd party repair centers should have parts. On a related note, my friend has 2 grey 5D3's (had them for about 2 and 3 years now) and neither has any issues.


Lets face it, probably 98% of all the cameras that any of the major manufactures produce have zero issues, before the fault that is beyond economical sense to repair, causing the device to reach end of life. Of course when you are dealing in the tens of millions of devices manufactured every year, even 2% is a significant number. Also with the internet you are far more likely to hear about those 2% than the 98% of perfectly working cameras.

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Sep 01, 2016 05:57 |  #10

A gray market camera is a camera made by Canon and sold to a wholesaler who sells to a retailer who does not have an agreement with Canon. Why would Canon care who retails it as they got their money when they sold it to the wholesaler?




  
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Sep 01, 2016 09:56 |  #11

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A gray market camera is a camera made by Canon and sold to a wholesaler who sells to a retailer who does not have an agreement with Canon. Why would Canon care who retails it as they got their money when they sold it to the wholesaler?

Canon cares because of the impact this can have on the perceived value of their cameras. Canon has very strictly enforced agreements in place with their authorized retailers, with respect to how much the retailers must charge for the cameras. The retailers are simply not allowed to lower the price, or they are in breach of agreement and will lose their authorized status.

This rigid price policing is done by Canon in order to maintain a high perceived value for their cameras. If a retailer were to undercut other retailers by lowering the retail price beyond the minimum threshold set by Canon, then people would get it in their heads that the camera can be had for less than the "regular price", and hence the perceived value of the camera would be diminished in many consumer's minds.

The problem with unauthorized retailers is that they do exactly what Canon works so hard to prevent; they lower their prices in order to undercut the competition.

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Sep 01, 2016 10:21 |  #12

I think there is more here than that. Each part of the world has different laws around warranties, etc. The argument years back was that Canon wouldn't honor gray market because their price points in areas of the world those specific warranty requirements baked in their prices. So somebody getting their hands on a unit that was much lower due to lower warranty coverages would still send that into their own country's warranty center, expecting a free repair, and Canon was trying to prevent that.

Now with the world economy in a different state than it was in the early to mid 2000s, and that the prices are locked in for the most part, and raised in other areas of the world where they used to be less expensive, this black market price paid vs warranty coverage seems to be a moot point, and I can completely understand the confusion now.

Canon can only address MAP, which is what retailers advertise the camera for on their sites. That doesn't mean they can't sell it for less in their stores, or via unadvertised specials, they often do. I don't see how that matters in regard to gray market at all. MAP practices also have NOTHING to do with consumers' perceived value of a product, it has everything to do with profit margins and trying to keep all the authorized dealers playing fairly, and because of antitrust issues. MAP doesn't benefit the consumer at all from what I can tell.

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Sep 01, 2016 10:22 |  #13

If the gray market was killed the buyer may buy another less expensive brand causing manufacturer to lose sales.




  
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Sep 01, 2016 10:29 |  #14

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MAP doesn't benefit the consumer at all from what I can tell.

Of course it doesn't! . It's, like, a terrible thing for consumers. . It's one of the things that keeps us from ever getting a REAL bargain on a current, new Canon camera from an authorized dealer.

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Sep 01, 2016 10:43 |  #15

You can still get bargains, they just have to be more "sneaky" about the deal. ;)


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